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Pennsylvania Man charged with desecrating flag says he was standing up for heritage
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http://www.wjactv.com/news/features/top-...4&at_tot=5

Updated: Friday, May 16 2014, 08:56 AM EDT By: Maria Miller

ALLEGHENY TOWNSHIP, Pa. -- A Duncansville man says he was standing up for his American Indian heritage and expressing his beliefs when he hung an American flag upside down and spray painted it earlier this week, but police said what he did was inexcusable.

The flag isn't hanging on Joshuaa Brubaker's home anymore, but Allegheny Township Police gave 6 News a picture that showed the flag hanging upside down, with the word AIM sprayed in white across it. Police took it down saying he desecrated it, but Brubaker told 6 News he meant no offense and was simply standing up for his heritage.

"If I don't have a right to fly that flag upside down, which means a sign of distress, which this country is in so much distress right now, then what's the point of having it?" Brubaker said.
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#2
Flying it upside down is fine by me...the violation occured when this dumbass painted AIM on it.

The AIM has their own flag, why not just fly that?

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I should get a AIM flag, paint something stupid on it and go park in a casino parking lot and see what happens. Dodgy
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#3
Uh, what he did is protected by the first amendment, explicitly confirmed by the supreme court, and the cops should be arrested for theft.
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§ 8. Respect for Flag.
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, state flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
© The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping in front of the platform, and for a decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner
whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or
handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.
However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel,
firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag
represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the
lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resource...L30243.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman
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#5
What about all of those Union regiments during the Civil War that altered the US flag? ...granted those regiments did it for a different reason than the PA indian guy.

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P89;144003 Wrote:§ 8. Respect for Flag.
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, state flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
© The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping in front of the platform, and for a decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner
whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or
handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.
However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel,
firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag
represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the
lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resource...L30243.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman

That about sums it up. There are rules, but they are not enforceable.
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Philadelphia Patriot;144006 Wrote:What about all of those Union regiments during the Civil War that altered the US flag? ...granted those regiments did it for a different reason than the PA indian guy.

That is considered "honorable enrichment" (such as fringe & regiment insigna) and the official use of such by the military dates back to 1895.
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bac0nfat;144012 Wrote:That about sums it up. There are rules, but they are not enforceable.

True, but I have a feeling this guy got the attention he was looking for.
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#9
ANOTHER FUCKING BAD COP THREAD.

They have no right to steal his property and there is zero, none, nada, law against what he did. We have fucking rights and here we go again with police officers thinking they are above the law. Fuck them and the cunts they came out of.

Jon Doe;143993 Wrote:http://www.wjactv.com/news/features/top-...4&at_tot=5

Updated: Friday, May 16 2014, 08:56 AM EDT By: Maria Miller

ALLEGHENY TOWNSHIP, Pa. -- A Duncansville man says he was standing up for his American Indian heritage and expressing his beliefs when he hung an American flag upside down and spray painted it earlier this week, but police said what he did was inexcusable.

The flag isn't hanging on Joshuaa Brubaker's home anymore, but Allegheny Township Police gave 6 News a picture that showed the flag hanging upside down, with the word AIM sprayed in white across it. Police took it down saying he desecrated it, but Brubaker told 6 News he meant no offense and was simply standing up for his heritage.

"If I don't have a right to fly that flag upside down, which means a sign of distress, which this country is in so much distress right now, then what's the point of having it?" Brubaker said.


For those that don't know..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volok...ican-flag/

Quote:The relevant statutes are here and here:
A person is guilty of a misdemeanor … if, in any manner, he:
(1) for exhibition or display places any marks, writing or design of any nature … upon any flag;
(2) exposes to public view any such marked or defiled flag; …

A person is guilty of a misdemeanor … if he maliciously takes down, defiles, injures, removes or in any manner damages, insults, or destroys any American flag or the flag of the Commonwealth which is displayed anywhere.
They are clearly unconstitutional following Texas v. Johnson (1989) and United States v. Eichman (1990). Indeed, the law on this is clear enough that the police officers wouldn’t have qualified immunity in any lawsuit that Brubaker might bring against them.
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#10
Thanks for letting us know what the government wants us to blindly follow, I personally shit on these rules.

P89;144003 Wrote:§ 8. Respect for Flag.
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, state flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
© The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping in front of the platform, and for a decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner
whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or
handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.
However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel,
firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag
represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the
lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resource...L30243.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman
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