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andrewjs18;72645 Wrote:
ShaulWolf;72560 Wrote:That doesn't negate the fact that we're still actively fighting in Afghanistan, and logistical support (ie maintenance) is what keeps our troops operational.

We accept the risks involved in fighting and training for war, but we're expecting our nation to back us up. Telling us that we're going to lose maintenance, which is a huge deal for a modern military, is telling us that the nation feels we're expendable.

I'm not exaggerating on that either. Logistics was the biggest concern for my last CO during every staff meeting. Logistics is the biggest concern for my current CO during out staff meetings. Maintenance status reports were and are one of the first things they look at now, because that drives how effectively and safely we can operate.

I don't give a damn whether you support the reason why we're there, but don't jabber on about cutting costs and saying it's a good thing when it does greatly impact troops who are still in theater and prepping for it. That's punishing them more than anything, and they deserve better than that.

sorry, but the military doesn't get free passes when it's time to make some SERIOUS budget cuts. If the military is having it's maintenance budget cut, it needs to get rid of other waste to ensure that it can sustain the funding for its maintenance. that's how a business operates.

Are you really that lacking in knowledge in regard to how the government funds things? I thought that you knew better than that. The military doesn't get to pick and chose, the military submits it's budget by service and within service the various functions. Those funds are then either approved, cut by x% or unfunded. If a service such as maintenance is cut x% they can't just say "We'll take the money from area z to cover the rest" they have to use it in the functional area for which it was specified.
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51158;72649 Wrote:
andrewjs18;72645 Wrote:sorry, but the military doesn't get free passes when it's time to make some SERIOUS budget cuts. If the military is having it's maintenance budget cut, it needs to get rid of other waste to ensure that it can sustain the funding for its maintenance. that's how a business operates.

I didn't know the military was classified as a business

does the military (read congress) put out money and take money in to pay for its bills?

the answer is yes. and since the answer is yes, it's constrained by budgets just like any business.

billamj;72652 Wrote:
andrewjs18;72645 Wrote:sorry, but the military doesn't get free passes when it's time to make some SERIOUS budget cuts. If the military is having it's maintenance budget cut, it needs to get rid of other waste to ensure that it can sustain the funding for its maintenance. that's how a business operates.

Are you really that lacking in knowledge in regard to how the government funds things? I thought that you knew better than that. The military doesn't get to pick and chose, the military submits it's budget by service and within service the various functions. Those funds are then either approved, cut by x% or unfunded. If a service such as maintenance is cut x% they can't just say "We'll take the money from area z to cover the rest" they have to use it in the functional area for which it was specified.

I'm sorry that I didn't specifically mention that CONgress deals with the budgets. I thought you'd know what I was referring to.

regardless, everything needs to be cut and priorities need to be adjusted.
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andrewjs18;72656 Wrote:
51158;72649 Wrote:I didn't know the military was classified as a business

does the military (read congress) put out money and take money in to pay for its bills?

the answer is yes. and since the answer is yes, it's constrained by budgets just like any business.

I always thought along with providing a service or product, a business is also must make a profit in order to continue being in business..

I guess I just don't see the military being about making a profit. And I hope I never do, simply because that would just make our nations military force nothing more than mercenaries.

I just don't get how this topic played out. We can't even agree the definition of a business.. I posted to inform that's all. We can disagree, but about a definition, REALLY..ShrugShrug
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Who is this really, Come on now. What have you done to Valorius?

Valorius;72620 Wrote:
51158;72607 Wrote:Here's a link to a letter from the joint chiefs date 1-14-2013.You people that are saying it's a good thing to cut our defense budget might want to rethink. It's true we need to cut spending, Don't you think it would be better served it they cut spending where they aren't constitutionally bound. Cell phones for instance.

Just a thought

The letter is a photo copy, I can't copy and paste a paragraph or two, And it will take me an hour to type a couple paragraphs

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122130329/Lett...-Committee

Not only does it need to be cut, it needs to be massively slashed. As in halved or more.

So does the US law enforcement apparatus that has been fighting the other pointless war we've been engaged in for decades...."The war on drugs."

All the war on drugs and war on terror have actually been are wars on the rights and freedoms of the people of the United States of America. They are both stains on the honor of this nation.

If you are being utilized to perpetrate them, I think perhaps some soul searching is in order.
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You disagree with my statements in this thread? If so, why?
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Valorius;72778 Wrote:You disagree with my statements in this thread? If so, why?

Not at all I completely agree!!! I think. Wait, let me check my pulse..
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51158;72696 Wrote:
andrewjs18;72656 Wrote:does the military (read congress) put out money and take money in to pay for its bills?

the answer is yes. and since the answer is yes, it's constrained by budgets just like any business.

I always thought along with providing a service or product, a business is also must make a profit in order to continue being in business..

I guess I just don't see the military being about making a profit. And I hope I never do, simply because that would just make our nations military force nothing more than mercenaries.

I just don't get how this topic played out. We can't even agree the definition of a business.. I posted to inform that's all. We can disagree, but about a definition, REALLY..ShrugShrug

in a way, government isn't too far off from operating on a business model at some level...though businesses don't have congressional powers to create a central bank who then prints money and buys up treasury bonds.

anyway, government needs to operate more like a business with its money. it can't put out more than it's taking in. if it does, then something needs to be adjusted - either they need to start abolishing agencies, cutting salaries, improving efficiencies or raising taxes.

since the military takes in money and puts out money, it needs to operate on a similar model as well.

truth be told, I'd prefer a private military over a government military. at least with a private military they'd be constrained with the exorbitant amount of funding it takes to wage a war and continue to fund it until the mission is complete whereas the government can keep taxing its populace and printing up more money to fund its global adventures.

ExcelToExcel;72721 Wrote:Who is this really, Come on now. What have you done to Valorius?

Valorius;72620 Wrote:Not only does it need to be cut, it needs to be massively slashed. As in halved or more.

So does the US law enforcement apparatus that has been fighting the other pointless war we've been engaged in for decades...."The war on drugs."

All the war on drugs and war on terror have actually been are wars on the rights and freedoms of the people of the United States of America. They are both stains on the honor of this nation.

If you are being utilized to perpetrate them, I think perhaps some soul searching is in order.

for as long as I've seen Valorius posting on here and hte other forum, I'm pretty certain he's always had a stance of cutting down the military and bringing the troops home.
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Cutting maintenance endangers the troops. Cut whatever else you like in the military budget but DO NOT CUT maintenance funds and DO NOT CUT funds that go toward protective equipment. Those of you who never served may not like that standard but tough shit. You do one thing to endanger the troops and you have made many enemies, I AM on that list.
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billamj;72854 Wrote:Cutting maintenance endangers the troops. Cut whatever else you like in the military budget but DO NOT CUT maintenance funds and DO NOT CUT funds that go toward protective equipment. Those of you who never served may not like that standard but tough shit. You do one thing to endanger the troops and you have made many enemies, I AM on that list.

then be mad.

I'm tired of funding wars and I'm certainly tired of paying for the defense of foreign nations.
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#30
If we weren't sending two dozen free fighter jets to Egypt, we might not need to cut anything.
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