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andrewjs18;73290 Wrote:
billamj;73288 Wrote:Read it whatever way you like but I said no such thing. I told you plainly that you would be making enemies, myself included, if you support anything that adversely affects the troops themselves. Don't like it, don't sound like an idiot talking about something you have no first hand experience with.

Sigh...

You don't need to be in the military to figure out that if you're spending $5 and are only bringing in $3, something needs to be adjusted or priorities need to be addressed.

Since I help pay for the military, you better believe I'm going to bitch about it.

That's the feds, not the troops. I don't give a rats ass how you feel about the feds, being honest you and I feel about the same way, they can't keep spending what they don't have. However if what they cut harms 1 of the troops...
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You don't need to support the government or the policies that the troops are being told to enforce. The troops themselves may not support some of the policies that they are being ordered to enforce. However, lawful orders will be obeyed, so long as they are lawful, with the expectation that the orders will be for the benefit of the nation's ideals and people.

The majority of service members volunteered to fight for and defend the ideals and interests of the US. We have signed over our lives, given up some of our rights, prepared to kill, and prepared to die with the expectation that we will be supported by the government who we have placed that trust in.

If the government cuts back on maintaining equipment, healthcare, and pay, then it's going to be a breach of trust. It's not asking for more, it's asking to maintain what's needed to effectively fight, stay alive, and stay healthy.

Cutting those things and supporting the cuts is doing nothing less than punishing the troops for the government's screw ups.

Pull our forces back, scale them down enough to be able to protect our interests, and then start cutting back on costs. Doing so while we're actively engaged is going to harm our troops directly and indirectly.

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ExcelToExcel;73291 Wrote:Just so you know andrew Billamj and I disagree on a few things but he's a great guy.

andrewjs18;73285 Wrote:Be mad at the politicians who send them to war, who can't manage a budget and decide that things need to be cut to make ends meet.

Thanks for sounding like a raving lunatic and leaving the notion out there that I'd be better dead than alive because I support cuts in military expenditures!

I'm pretty sure I've meet billamj before to sell him something.

billamj;73295 Wrote:
andrewjs18;73290 Wrote:Sigh...

You don't need to be in the military to figure out that if you're spending $5 and are only bringing in $3, something needs to be adjusted or priorities need to be addressed.

Since I help pay for the military, you better believe I'm going to bitch about it.

That's the feds, not the troops. I don't give a rats ass how you feel about the feds, being honest you and I feel about the same way, they can't keep spending what they don't have. However if what they cut harms 1 of the troops...

who said anything about 'the troops' other than you?

since we know it is CONgress who manages the military's budget, they're the problem.

ShaulWolf;73305 Wrote:You don't need to support the government or the policies that the troops are being told to enforce. The troops themselves may not support some of the policies that they are being ordered to enforce. However, lawful orders will be obeyed, so long as they are lawful, with the expectation that the orders will be for the benefit of the nation's ideals and people.

The majority of service members volunteered to fight for and defend the ideals and interests of the US. We have signed over our lives, given up some of our rights, prepared to kill, and prepared to die with the expectation that we will be supported by the government who we have placed that trust in.

If the government cuts back on maintaining equipment, healthcare, and pay, then it's going to be a breach of trust. It's not asking for more, it's asking to maintain what's needed to effectively fight, stay alive, and stay healthy.

Cutting those things and supporting the cuts is doing nothing less than punishing the troops for the government's screw ups.

Pull our forces back, scale them down enough to be able to protect our interests, and then start cutting back on costs. Doing so while we're actively engaged is going to harm our troops directly and indirectly.

this sounds like a lot of 'don't ever cut anything from the military' mantra we always hear. when, exactly, are we going to wise up and only spend what we take in? when are we going to make other countries pay for their own defense? when are we going to stop sending foreign aid to other countries when this country is indeed bankrupt?

if you want to continue doing all of the above, then by all means, open up your check book and start writing checks! I'm getting tired of having my money stolen from me!
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andrewjs18;73366 Wrote:I'm pretty sure I've meet billamj before to sell him something.

Yup, we've met before and strangely enough I now work in an office building directly across the street from where we completed our transaction.

andrewjs18;73366 Wrote:
billamj;73295 Wrote:That's the feds, not the troops. I don't give a rats ass how you feel about the feds, being honest you and I feel about the same way, they can't keep spending what they don't have. However if what they cut harms 1 of the troops...

who said anything about 'the troops' other than you?

since we know it is CONgress who manages the military's budget, they're the problem.
You kept bringing it down to the military, as if they had say in the budget. When you speak like that it means the troops. You need to pay more attention to how you phrase things, I'm not the only one who noticed.
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billamj;73367 Wrote:
andrewjs18;73366 Wrote:I'm pretty sure I've meet billamj before to sell him something.

Yup, we've met before and strangely enough I now work in an office building directly across the street from where we completed our transaction.

andrewjs18;73366 Wrote:who said anything about 'the troops' other than you?

since we know it is CONgress who manages the military's budget, they're the problem.
You kept bringing it down to the military, as if they had say in the budget. When you speak like that it means the troops. You need to pay more attention to how you phrase things, I'm not the only one who noticed.

I don't doubt that top brass within the military (not the military-industrial complex, the actual military) has a lot of sway about funding for their branch of the military.
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Andrew, read over what I said previously. Don't put words in my mouth; I expect better from a mod than that.

Pull our forces out of combat first. Then once we're not actively engaged, start scaling down our forces. Scale them down to where we have enough to respond quickly to something threatening our interests, domestic or abroad, without being excessive. Once our forces are scaled down, then start cutting out some of the maintenance costs to fit the scaled down numbers.

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ShaulWolf;73500 Wrote:Andrew, read over what I said previously. Don't put words in my mouth; I expect better from a mod than that.

Pull our forces out of combat first. Then once we're not actively engaged, start scaling down our forces. Scale them down to where we have enough to respond quickly to something threatening our interests, domestic or abroad, without being excessive. Once our forces are scaled down, then start cutting out some of the maintenance costs to fit the scaled down numbers.

mod or not, I'm entitled to my opinion and I'll freely express it. Smile

it's just not really possible in todays economical times giving that we have cowardly politicians running the show.

there are a lot of people employed by the military - not just actual government workers but contractors as well. since politicians are more worried about getting elected in the next election, they almost never do what makes the most economical sense...EVER.
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