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People like this scare the shit out of me...
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The article is about why we should arrest the maker of the Innocence of Muslims movie because his film is "a threat to national security". When I read things like this it really scares me how so many people have no concept of the protection their rights are supposed to afford. Do they not understand that if you arrest people who make movies like this it won't be long until the maker of the Obama 2016 movie is a threat to national security too? 

The only reason there are people who say things like this are because they surround themselves with people who fail to knock some sense into them when they make stupid comments such as this, but as the author of the article is a professor and by proxy has a 99.9% chance of being a liberal I cannot say I am surprised.

I love how this person claims to "value free speech". I wonder how she would react to some jackbooted government thugs breaking down her doors and putting her under arrest because she offended a student in her religious studies class by talking about an opposing religion because it then became a threat to national security?

These are the kinds of people we need to look out for, educate, and prevent them from poisoning the youth with this fascist supporting rhetoric.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/sto...57769732/1
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#2
You are correct Emoticon. The thing is, is that these people are supposedly educated already. It is the colleges and Universities churning out these kinds of people. If you happen to disagree with their point of view you are considered a threat to them or they just find some bogus reason you are a threat. Until people stop letting these institutions stop teaching what they believe and stick to actual education and letting people form their own opinion it is not going away.
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#3
Political correctness & 'tolerance' shall ever remain, a... 'virtue'... of the morally weaks' inability to stand against evil & tyranny, and I want NO part of it.
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A couple of things that stand out to me. 1. He says he's not excusing the rioting then says that people in America should not do things that will incite people in other countries because they can not control themselves. He then blames the film maker to the point where he wants him put in jail.

2. I find the end disturbing where it sounds like he is saying that since people in some other countries may not understand or respect our right to free speech, we should limit it.

I cannot get behind limiting our rights even those I disagree with. I've always said that others have the right to their thoughts, prejudices, and so on. I have the right to express my disdain for those thoughts and prejudices. Limit their rights and you are limiting mine, limit my rights and you are limiting theirs.


Yes I find his thoughts scary but he has a right to them just as I have the right to hold his views in contempt.
Everytime we look the other way when someone else loses rights we disagree with, we make it easier to lose the rights we support.

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#5
Its more than just 2A under attack. Wake up, if this is not an eye opener for anybody here it most certainly should be.

"I'm all for free speech but we should apply reasonable and common sense limits for the sake of saving face and not offending anybody."
The law? The law is a human institution...
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#6
Sounds like an anti 2A statement. I'm telling you, in a generation or two there won't be a Constitution.

(09-13-2012, 08:02 AM)csmith Wrote: Its more than just 2A under attack. Wake up, if this is not an eye opener for anybody here it most certainly should be.

"I'm all for free speech but we should apply reasonable and common sense limits for the sake of saving face and not offending anybody."
"As I lay rubber down the street I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God, protect my sweet ride."
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#7
How long before Judaism and Christianity are a threat to national security?  Both religions do not acknowledge Mohamed as anyone of importance whatsoever, and they will willingly admit that.

And how long before Atheism is a threat to national security?  The denial of the existence of God is a bigger affront to Islam than dipping Mohamed in a basket of pig shit.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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(09-13-2012, 09:01 AM)Camper Wrote: How long before Judaism and Christianity are a threat to national security?  Both religions do not acknowledge Mohamed as anyone of importance whatsoever, and they will willingly admit that.

And how long before Atheism is a threat to national security?  The denial of the existence of God is a bigger affront to Islam than dipping Mohamed in a basket of pig shit.


I'll let you know November 7th.

(09-13-2012, 07:14 AM)Internet troll Wrote: A couple of things that stand out to me.   1.  He says he's not excusing  the rioting then says that people in America should not do things that will incite people in other countries because they can not control themselves. He then blames the film maker to the point where he wants him put in jail.  

 2.  I find the end disturbing where it sounds like he is saying that since people in some other countries may not understand or respect our right to free speech, we should limit it.  

I cannot get behind limiting our rights even those I disagree with.   I've always said that others have the right to their thoughts, prejudices, and so on. I have the right to express my disdain for those thoughts and prejudices.   Limit their rights and you are limiting mine, limit my rights and you are limiting theirs.


Yes I find his thoughts scary but he has a right to them just as I have the right to hold his views in contempt.


The camels nose must NOT get under THAT tent.....or any others for that matter.
"In 4 more OMao years you won't like how America looks....I guarantee it."
“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” -- Thomas Jefferson
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(09-13-2012, 07:14 AM)Internet troll Wrote: A couple of things that stand out to me.   1.  He says he's not excusing  the rioting then says that people in America should not do things that will incite people in other countries because they can not control themselves. He then blames the film maker to the point where he wants him put in jail.  
Reminds me of blaming a rape victim because the victim was out late.  It's not our fault other people can't play nice, but let's put the blame where it belongs - on the "bullies".

 2.  I find the end disturbing where it sounds like he is saying that since people in some other countries may not understand or respect our right to free speech, we should limit it.  

I cannot get behind limiting our rights even those I disagree with.   I've always said that others have the right to their thoughts, prejudices, and so on. I have the right to express my disdain for those thoughts and prejudices.   Limit their rights and you are limiting mine, limit my rights and you are limiting theirs.


Yes I find his thoughts scary but he has a right to them just as I have the right to hold his views in contempt.
I completely agree.  When any one right is weakened for anyone, all rights are weakened for all to some degree.
(09-13-2012, 08:02 AM)csmith Wrote: Its more than just 2A under attack. Wake up, if this is not an eye opener for anybody here it most certainly should be.

"I'm all for free speech but we should apply reasonable and common sense limits for the sake of saving face and not offending anybody."
It is scary.  The more I think about it, the 2A backs up the constitution, but it is itself protected by the 1A.
(09-13-2012, 09:01 AM)Camper Wrote: How long before Judaism and Christianity are a threat to national security?  Both religions do not acknowledge Mohamed as anyone of importance whatsoever, and they will willingly admit that.

And how long before Atheism is a threat to national security?  The denial of the existence of God is a bigger affront to Islam than dipping Mohamed in a basket of pig shit.
This is what scares me so much about the counter-terrorism laws.  The definition of "terrorist" in these laws is so vague it is basically a popularity contest, the looser gets buried under the jail...  Right now it is extreme Muslims, but tomorrow it can be Buddhists, Christians, Atheists, Communists, Capitalists, take your pick.

I can't remember who said this, but the quote goes something like "They came for the _____, and I did nothing because I disagreed with them.  Next, they came for the ___, and I did nothing because I wasn't one of them.  Then they came for me and no one was left to help me."  Every time a group of people's rights are summarily denied, it threatens the rights of every person.
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(09-13-2012, 11:23 AM)rmagill Wrote: I can't remember who said this, but the quote goes something like "They came for the _____, and I did nothing because I disagreed with them.  Next, they came for the ___, and I did nothing because I wasn't one of them.  Then they came for me and no one was left to help me."  Every time a group of people's rights are summarily denied, it threatens the rights of every person.


It was Martin Niemoller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
Everytime we look the other way when someone else loses rights we disagree with, we make it easier to lose the rights we support.

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