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People like this scare the shit out of me...
#21
The right statement from the US embassy in Egypt should not have been to condemn the video, but to reaffirm that the United States embraces freedom of speech.  It is in our constitution.
Apologizing for something that is a right, is a fail.
Then to punish it is an even bigger fail.

I see a growing trend for the government to take a stand on things it has no earthly reason to even comment on.

Mayors worrying what Chic-Fil-A employees think of marriage.
The President pondering on what a Boston cop thinks is an arrestable action.
The content of an internet video.

PC is out of control and it is becoming a government agency.
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#22
The people aren't participating in violent protest and killing people because they saw a video they don't like, they're participating in violent protest and killing people because the video exists.


Let that sink in a bit.
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#23
(09-14-2012, 06:46 AM)Camper Wrote: The people aren't participating in violent protest and killing people because they saw a video they don't like, they're participating in violent protest and killing people because the video exists.


Let that sink in a bit.

You don't think there would be Muslims involved in violent protests right now if not for the existence of a movie that no-one ever saw?
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#24
(09-14-2012, 01:18 PM)ByblosHex Wrote: You don't think there would be Muslims involved in violent protests right now if not for the existence of a movie that no-one ever saw?


I wasn't clear.

Yes, they would be involved in these protests anyway because I believe they were planned for 9/11 because these extremists hate us.  

But the point being, is that if the movie *is* the impetus for all of this, then NONE of these people inciting violence have seen the movie, so they're not being assholes because of what they saw, but for the simple fact that it even exists.
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#25
Just a reminder: speech can be restricted if it has the potential to cause harm. Yellmg "fire" in a crowded theater, anyone?

I haven't seen the film, and I probably won't anytime soon. I don't know how offensive it is or isn't. But if history is any clue, the filmmaker had to know that his "art" would raise the ire of certain people, just like Robert Mapplethorpe knew he was going to piss off Christians all over. He got death threats til the day he died.
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(09-14-2012, 02:00 PM)jahwarrior72 Wrote: Just a reminder: speech can be restricted if it has the potential to cause harm. Yellmg "fire" in a crowded theater, anyone?

I haven't seen the film, and I probably won't anytime soon. I don't know how offensive it is or isn't. But if history is any clue, the filmmaker had to know that his "art" would raise the ire of certain people, just like Robert Mapplethorpe knew he was going to piss off Christians all over. He got death threats til the day he died.


Just some info because it's often misinterpreted.

Quote:"Shouting fire in a crowded theatre" is a popular metaphor and frequent paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919. The paraphrasing does not generally include the word falsely, which was originally used and highlights that speech which is dangerous and false, which can be distinguished from that which is truthful but also dangerous. The quote is used as an example of speech which is claimed to serve no conceivable useful purpose and is extremely and imminently dangerous, as they held distributing fliers in opposition to a military draft to be, so that resort to the courts or administrative procedures is not practical and expresses the permissible limitations on free speech consistent with the terms of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. 

And the important thing to know..

Quote:The First Amendment holding in Schenck was later overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, which limited the scope of banned speech to that which would be directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action (e.g. a riot).  
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(09-14-2012, 02:00 PM)jahwarrior72 Wrote: just like Robert Mapplethorpe knew he was going to piss off Christians all over. He got death threats til the day he died.


Out of curiosity, how many people were injured by the rioting Christians?

And that restriction of free speech thing is ludicrous, or are you saying that its not OK to mock one religion that causes riots whenever you say something they don't like, but it's perfectly acceptable to mock another religion who doesn't cause riots?

The closest comparison to what is going on here would be that we as gun  owners go on shooting rampages anytime anyone tries to take away or restrict our firearms because we're that angry that someone would accuse us of being dangerous gun owners.
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#28
I'm saying if you poke a dog with rabies, expected to get bit.
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(09-14-2012, 02:14 PM)jahwarrior72 Wrote: I'm saying if you poke a dog with rabies, expected to get bit.


You put down dogs with rabies, before they spread the disease to all the others.  Wink
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#30
(09-14-2012, 02:14 PM)jahwarrior72 Wrote: I'm saying if you poke a dog with rabies, expected to get bit.

It's still not a crime.

The video, or the trailer of the video is not equal to falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater unless you agree that that action of participating in the creation a trailer of a movie representing Mohammad in a negative light is an action which based on a false pretense is guaranteed to cause alarm and panic enough to cause immediate, serious physical risk or harm without any legitimate purpose other than to cause that panic and risk of immediate harm. Which is the result of shouting fire in a crowded theater. Additionally, the case of shouting fire in a crowded theater still doesn't apply, unless they did falsely shout fire in a crowded theater while producing the trailer without legitimate purpose and that was the cause of the riots.
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