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Philadelphia ‘secret police’ threaten to ‘lock up’ citizen for open carrying
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Philadelphia ‘secret police’ threaten to ‘lock up’ citizen for open carrying
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Why won't this "secret policeman" give his name and badge number? (Click to enlarge)



Credits:

Mark Roote


“Now you’re either going to conceal it, or I’m going to take
you off here or I’m going to lock you up. I’m not going to play games.”

The threatening speaker is a Philadelphia police
lieutenant, coercing activist Mark Roote, who attended a weekend “End
the Fed” rally open carrying—as is his right and in accordance with
Pennsylvania law.

Indeed, in the accompanying video (see sidebar), we see the initial
“officer” who approached Roote actually REFUSES TO IDENTIFY HIMSELF upon
a legitimate citizen request that he do so. Apparently, in the city of
Independence Hall, secret police wearing full length black coats and
red arm bands can rely on intimidation to infringe on the right of the
people to keep and bear arms—and are confident from experience that they
can get away with evading personal accountability for it.

Roote’s description of his encounter:

Quote:After we started "marching", an "officer" told me I had
to conceal my weapon because I was in violation of Philadelphia law.
When I declined (reference 18 PACS 6120 - Cities, towns and municipalities are prohibited by PA law from enacting laws prohibiting concealed or open carry), he went and got his lieutenant to "enforce" his rule (this is when I started recording, video linked below).

The LT (Consick?), after being summoned by the other "officer", told
me that I had to conceal "it" or he was going to "take it away" and
"lock me up". He told me I was in violation of Philadelphia law, and
when I cited 18 PACS 6120, he changed his story to say that I was
violating PA law and he pulled out a piece of paper that had 18 PACS
6102 at the top and pointed to the "concealed" part (note, 18 PACS 6102
is the definitions subsection and has nothing to do with the
actual law). I then pulled out my little piece of paper that had 18
PACS 6106 & 6108 cited and showed it to him. He told me that he
pulled his from the PA Crimes Code just for that day and disregarded my
paper completely saying it wasn't official and again threatened to take
my weapon away and lock me up because he "didn't want to play games".

Those two codes are:

6106 - Firearms not to be carried without a license
6108 - Carrying firearms on public streets or public property in Philadelphia

What they say, basically, is that open carry in Philadelphia requires a valid PA LTCF or reciprocal state's carry license.
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Video: "I'm not going to play games."
As has already been established in the case of Ortiz v. Commonwealth:

Quote:Because the ownership of firearms is constitutionally
protected, its regulation is a matter of statewide concern. The
constitution does not provide that the right to bear arms shall not be
questioned in any part of the commonwealth, except Philadelphia and
Pittsburgh, where it may be abridged at will, but that it shall not be
questioned in any part of the commonwealth. Thus, regulation of firearms
is a matter of concern in all of Pennsylvania, not merely in
Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, and the General Assembly, not city
councils, is the proper forum for the imposition of such regulation.
This would appear to be a matter that must be resolved either with
immediate compliance by Philadelphia civil authority, or failing that,
in a court room with no-nonsense judgments against rights violators. Of
particular concern is the authoritarian enforcer who refused to ID
himself.

The best way to deal with those who hide in shadows is to turn on a
bright light. There is no place in a free society for secret police
abridging the liberties they have ostensibly been sworn to uphold.
Those of us respecting Patrick Henry’s call to “guard with jealous
attention the public liberty” aren’t going to play games, either.
das, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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That's an interesting read, but the copy 'n' pasted formatting is painful. Is there a link to the original article?
I am not a lawyer.
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(09-09-2012, 04:28 PM)twency Wrote: That's an interesting read, but the copy 'n' pasted formatting is painful. Is there a link to the original article?
If I can remember where I pulled it from I will put the link up. I have a wicked Headache and cant remember right now. Give me a little bit, I'll remember.

das, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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Sure would be nice if the "officer" and the lieutenant could be identified and charged with official oppression.
Brick, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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(09-15-2012, 04:48 PM)Brick Wrote: Sure would be nice if the "officer" and the lieutenant could be identified and charged with official oppression.


I agree 100%. This sort of police-are-above-the-law nonsense has got to stop.
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Original source link: here
TheWolff, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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This incident is from 2010.


http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress....fed-rally/

From Mark Roote:

I am writing to you today as one of your constituents from Wyoming County, Monroe Township.
I was in Philadelphia, PA today to attend the “End The Fed” rally. While I do not agree with everything the speakers at that rally talked about, I do agree that the Fed is unconstitutional and it needs to go away.
But that’s not why I’m writing you.
I am an active member of the “Open Carry” movement, wherein I exercise my right to bear arms wherever I go, in accordance with the law. That includes Philadelphia. I realize that since Philly is a “Class ‘A’ City”, I am required to have a valid License to Carry Firearms for the state of PA (which I have), or a valid permit from a reciprocal state. Before I went to Philly, I researched the Open Carry laws for myself, using a handout from http://www.paopencarry.org as a guide. I took that handout and compared it to the actual law as best I could though http://www.state.pa.us, but primarily using other sites online since the pa site is not very user friendly (the primary site I used washttp://reference.pafoa.org/). As best I could determine, the handout is in agreement with the law.

Now the issue I had today:
I was walking around the rally site in front of the Federal Reserve building for about 3 hours with my weapon plainly visible and officers everywhere. None said anything to me about the weapon. After we started “marching”, an “officer” told me I had to conceal my weapon because I was in violation of Philadelphia law. When I declined (reference 18 PACS 6121 - Cities, towns and municipalities are prohibited by PA law from enacting laws prohibiting concealed or open carry), he went and got his lieutenant to “enforce” his rule (this is when I started recording, video linked below).
The LT (Consick?), after being summoned by the other “officer”, told me that I had to conceal “it” or he was going to “take it away” and “lock me up”. He told me I was in violation of Philadelphia law, and when I cited 18 PACS 6120, he changed his story to say that I was violating PA law and he pulled out a piece of paper that had 18 PACS 6102 at the top and pointed to the “concealed” part (note, 18 PACS 6102 is the definitions subsection, has nothing to do with the actual law). I then pulled out my little piece of paper that had 18 PACS 6106 & 6108 cited and showed it to him. He told me that he pulled his from the PA Crimes Code just for today and disregarded my paper completely saying it wasn’t official and again threatened to take my weapon away and lock me up because he “didn’t want to play games”. Those two codes are:
6106 - Firearms not to be carried without a license
6108 - Carrying firearms on public streets or public property in Philadelphia
What they say, basically, is that open carry in Philadelphia requires a valid PA LTCF or reciprocal state’s carry license. I’m sure you have the ability to look up the actual sections much more easily than I can.

After all of that, I decided that rather than get robbed and go to jail, I would “comply” and cover my weapon. It should be noted that I simply untucked my shirt and pulled it up over the holster. I then asked the LT if that was OK since my truck was so far away, and he said it was. In doing this, the entire weapon and holster was still readily visible with the shirt only covering the grip of the pistol.

Here is a link to a composite of video that I took during these encounters today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hNXgpRvsZw
I apologize for the shakiness, but after hearing about several people that have been arrested for videotaping officers in PA and elsewhere, I was trying to record without them realizing it, see http://www.pixiq.com/contributors/248 for some of those stories
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Bystanders video of the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1YMgdphm...r_embedded#!
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Its neat to watch this video and others like it from years ago to see their impact. Look how far things have come in just two years.
steelcityk9cop, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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(09-15-2012, 04:48 PM)Brick Wrote: Sure would be nice if the "officer" and the lieutenant could be identified and charged with official oppression.


I think they should, in additon to possession of brains with no intent to use and being stupid. The problem is that having guns and the right to bear arms is one thing that often will not get a cop into trouble if he is interfering with it. Now if someone wants to burn an american flag or something a cop would get in trouble if he got involved.
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