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Pistol Purchased by ATF Agent
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Didn't see this anywhere so....

Quote: Pistol purchased by ATF agent found at alleged cartel crime scene in Mexico

CBS News has learned that two guns found in the area of a recent Mexican drug cartel shootout have been linked to Fast and Furious: One trafficked by a suspect in the case, and the other purchased by a federal agent.

Mexican beauty queen Susana Flores Maria Gamez and four others died in the brutal gun battle between Sinaloa cartel members and the Mexican military in November. CBS News has learned that an FN Herstal pistol recovered near the crime scene in November was originally purchased by an Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) manager who was faulted by the Inspector General in Operation Fast and Furious: George Gillett. Gillett was the Asst. Special Agent in Charge of ATF Phoenix when Fast and Furious began.

The Herstal pistol is nicknamed a "cop-killer" because of its designation as a "weapon of choice" for Mexican drug cartels. CBS News has learned the Inspector General planned to question Gillett today after a hastily-opened inquiry to determine how this agent's personal weapon got into the hands of suspected cartel members.

CBS News spoke to Gillett, who is still employed at ATF. Gillett acknowledged he once owned the weapon in question, but says he sold it in Phoenix sometime last year after advertising it on the Internet. He declined to provide the name of the man who bought it, but says he went "above and beyond" what was required by law to complete the firearms transaction. That included asking the purchaser to fill out a form giving personal information and stating that he was in the U.S. legally; and checking his driver's license, which Gillett said was issued in the U.S.
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I have no doubt Gillet sold the pistol on the internet and went above his law requirements to give the cartels person another firearm.

Well, at least we now know how guns are getting to the cartels from the US: the ATF. Rolleyes
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#3
Why would a "cop" need a "cop killer" pistol? And why would someone so against them ever sell one to someone else? And there must be a record of transfer, correct? I bet he used that pesky gun show loophole... you know, the one they claim the cartels used to get their hands on brand new belt fed machine guns, grenades, claymore mines, AT-4 rocket launchers, and Stinger fucking missiles.

Maybe he can share a cell with that idiot news guy who had the 30 round mag.
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I guess the idea behind this is when the firearms confiscation begins in the US, the cartels can be employed by the federal government to aid in the confiscation if a lot of LEOs and soldiers refuse their orders. Shrug
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So we have an agent that apparently went above and beyond to determine if the transfer was legit to that person, but he cannot remember the name off hand of the person he sold it to. Maybe it's just me, but I expect LE Agents to have a better memory than that. If we have agents in the field that can't remember important information, then maybe we should be recalling those agents and put in positions where their memory isn't so important.
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streaker69;59786 Wrote:So we have an agent that apparently went above and beyond to determine if the transfer was legit to that person, but he cannot remember the name off hand of the person he sold it to. Maybe it's just me, but I expect LE Agents to have a better memory than that. If we have agents in the field that can't remember important information, then maybe we should be recalling those agents and put in positions where their memory isn't so important.

You mean like Commander-in-chief?Angel
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I was thinking more like Janitor.
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#8
So wait... the ATF agent didn't do the transfer at an FFL and run a NICS check?
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#9
I bet most of the guns in the LA buy back end up in Mexico.
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streaker69;59786 Wrote:So we have an agent that apparently went above and beyond to determine if the transfer was legit to that person, but he cannot remember the name off hand of the person he sold it to. Maybe it's just me, but I expect LE Agents to have a better memory than that. If we have agents in the field that can't remember important information, then maybe we should be recalling those agents and put in positions where their memory isn't so important.

Having spent some time at Quantico and observing first hand the ethics, or lack thereof, of federal agents I exclude no explanation they would give, however unplausible.
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