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I favor the Kershaw Leek, for the parameters you set. It's light, thin, fast, and Ames and holds an edge well. The only dawbsck is that it's oriented for right side carry. The TDI is a good suggestion, too.

CPratt, I'd be careful about carrying a double edged dagger in PA. I don't have the statute in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it's a prohibited offensive weapon.

Matter of fact, I'm positive it is.
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(09-14-2012, 10:41 PM)jahwarrior72 Wrote: I favor the Kershaw Leek, for the parameters you set. It's light, thin, fast, and Ames and holds an edge well. The only dawbsck is that it's oriented for right side carry. The TDI is a good suggestion, too.

CPratt, I'd be careful about carrying a double edged dagger in PA. I don't have the statute in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it's a prohibited offensive weapon.

Matter of fact, I'm positive it is.
§ 908. Prohibited offensive weapons.
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the
first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs,
sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive
weapon.
(b) Exceptions.--
(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant
to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or
dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic
performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade
or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms
Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it
briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an
aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any
intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used
unlawfully.
(2) This section does not apply to police forensic
firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories.
Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts
or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary
course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify
in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any
police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere,
the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the
possession, type and use of offensive weapons.
(3) This section shall not apply to any person who
makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or
possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws
of this Commonwealth.
© Definitions.--As used in this section, the following
words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this
subsection:
"Firearm." Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be
converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive
or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
"Offensive weapons." Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-
off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially
made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge,
any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or
cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an
automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or
otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic
or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of
serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
(d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the
following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from
this section:
(1) Police officers, as defined by and who meet the
requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359, No.120),
referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training
Law.
(2) Police officers of first class cities who have
successfully completed training which is substantially
equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police
Education and Training Law.
(3) Pennsylvania State Police officers.
(4) Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties
who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal
Police Education and Training Law.
(5) Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who
have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal
Police Education and Training Law.
(6) Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined
by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
(7) Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily
met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and
Training Law.
(Dec. 20, 1983, P.L.291, No.78, eff. imd.; July 6, 1984,
P.L.647, No.134, eff. 90 days; July 11, 1985, P.L.235, No.58,
eff. 60 days; Oct. 4, 1994, P.L.571, No.84, eff. 60 days; Nov.
6, 2002, P.L.1096, No.132, eff. 60 days)

2002 Amendment. Act 132 amended subsec. ©.
References in Text. The act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359,
No.120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and
Training Law, referred to in the def. of "police officer," was
repealed by the act of December 19, 1996, P.L.1158, No.177. The
subject matter is now contained in Subchapter D of Chapter 23 of
Title 53 (Municipalities Generally).
Cross References. Section 908 is referred to in section 6105
of this title; section 3304 of Title 5 (Athletics and Sports).







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#13
Thanks, Joe. Yup, daggers are prohibited. I'd stop carrying that.
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#14
I favor SOG, cold steel, spyderco you cant really go wrong with them see the edc thread for examples and pictures.


That said you mention defending against gun grab I use a ka-bar tdi small fully serrated on the belt it works great I only use it on duty though it tucks behind my duty belt great.
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Thanks for the heads up guys, I was reading the statue wrong. Will discontinue carry immediately.
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(09-14-2012, 11:21 PM)jahwarrior72 Wrote: Thanks, Joe. Yup, daggers are prohibited. I'd stop carrying that.

how do you figure? If you are reading it as daggers are illegal, then so are all knifes and razors. If you are reading it as only knives with a ,blade expelled in an automatic way, then daggers are legal.
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#17
Daggers are listed specifically.
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#18
(09-16-2012, 09:47 AM)Warpt762x39 Wrote: Daggers are listed specifically.
as are knives. Are they prohibited offensive weapons?
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#19
The wording of the statute is admittedly awkward, probably intentionally so. However, I'm not gonna take a chance that a cop will make the distinction.

Oddly enough, balisongs/butterfly knives are specified as yo NOT being prohibited offensive weapons, as per the Commonwealth v. Miles decision (PA Superior Court). I had to explain this to some courthouse deputies, and show it to a patrolman in Scranton, in addition to local municipal and county ordinances (knives are subject to local laws), none of which prohibit the carry of any knives. They all thanked me for the info. This partly which I carry balisongs as EDC.
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(09-16-2012, 10:29 AM)Leplat Wrote:
(09-16-2012, 09:47 AM)Warpt762x39 Wrote: Daggers are listed specifically.
as are knives. Are they prohibited offensive weapons?

A dagger is a type of knife blade. Knife is the general term and is included with the part after daggers are mentioned. It's part of the automatic blade portion.
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