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Potent New Painkiller May Prove Lethal for Addicts, Critics Warn
#21
streaker69;136372 Wrote:Lemme get this straight. This would be dangerous to those that are going to misuse it, by grinding it up, then shooting/snorting it. So what's the problem again?

They should hand out the free-trial samples to all the junkies - let em OD and clean house.

For those who truly need it - glad something better is available!
worker987, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#22
worker987;136497 Wrote:For those who truly need it - glad something better is available!

Problem is right now a big percentage of those addicted are the good people that started legitimately. I grew up in the 60's and IMHO the way opiates change the brain is far worse then the heroin of back then. For many the choice to stop isn't there.

Would it be ok then if they give the samples to your Dad who you never knew was hooked or your favorite aunt? How about your daughter that hid it from you and got hooked after that field hockey injury in the state finals? All who's use started legitimately.
Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ~ Max von Stephanitz

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#23
They should sell it over the counter, it's all about personal responsibility. It's not the governments job to prevent addiction. We already have tons of legal things that are addicting, like the obvious alcohol and tobacco, but also things like gambling, video games, social media. All things that can ruin your life with excess use. Why is this drug any different? Because it's prescribed by doctors? Fine, don't prescribe it, sell it over the counter with a warning label that says it's addictive. Let people make their own choice. Not everyone needs or wants the government to hold their hand.
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#24
bac0nfat;136517 Wrote:They should sell it over the counter, it's all about personal responsibility. It's not the governments job to prevent addiction. We already have tons of legal things that are addicting, like the obvious alcohol and tobacco, but also things like gambling, video games, social media. All things that can ruin your life with excess use. Why is this drug any different? Because it's prescribed by doctors? Fine, don't prescribe it, sell it over the counter with a warning label that says it's addictive. Let people make their own choice. Not everyone needs or wants the government to hold their hand.

I really don't have a response. Sounds like a thought my 5 year old grandson would have.
Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ~ Max von Stephanitz

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#25
Exbiker;136519 Wrote:
bac0nfat;136517 Wrote:They should sell it over the counter, it's all about personal responsibility. It's not the governments job to prevent addiction. We already have tons of legal things that are addicting, like the obvious alcohol and tobacco, but also things like gambling, video games, social media. All things that can ruin your life with excess use. Why is this drug any different? Because it's prescribed by doctors? Fine, don't prescribe it, sell it over the counter with a warning label that says it's addictive. Let people make their own choice. Not everyone needs or wants the government to hold their hand.

I really don't have a response. Sounds like a thought my 5 year old grandson would have.
Biker I think we all know what youre saying and Im not disagreeing with it. I think what we are trying to say is INTENTIONAL abuse is not going to be stopped no matter what substance you are talking about. I have been on opiates short and long term, I have never felt the urge to crush, snort or shoot anything. I told my last doctor I was ready to stop them he wouldnt help so I stopped cold turkey while I found a new doctor.
das, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#26
Exbiker;136519 Wrote:
bac0nfat;136517 Wrote:They should sell it over the counter, it's all about personal responsibility. It's not the governments job to prevent addiction. We already have tons of legal things that are addicting, like the obvious alcohol and tobacco, but also things like gambling, video games, social media. All things that can ruin your life with excess use. Why is this drug any different? Because it's prescribed by doctors? Fine, don't prescribe it, sell it over the counter with a warning label that says it's addictive. Let people make their own choice. Not everyone needs or wants the government to hold their hand.

I really don't have a response. Sounds like a thought my 5 year old grandson would have.

So your only response to a logical argument is a personal insult? Classy.
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#27
Exbiker;136519 Wrote:
bac0nfat;136517 Wrote:They should sell it over the counter, it's all about personal responsibility. It's not the governments job to prevent addiction. We already have tons of legal things that are addicting, like the obvious alcohol and tobacco, but also things like gambling, video games, social media. All things that can ruin your life with excess use. Why is this drug any different? Because it's prescribed by doctors? Fine, don't prescribe it, sell it over the counter with a warning label that says it's addictive. Let people make their own choice. Not everyone needs or wants the government to hold their hand.

I really don't have a response. Sounds like a thought my 5 year old grandson would have.

Until megalomaniac narcissists got involved you could buy heroin from a sears catalog, literally. It is all about personal responsibility. You can make heroin today in your back yard, literally. And unless your completely clueless you can buy it almost anywhere in the world. Making heroin is a long process from poppy to product but easy to follow and readily found on the internet. Furthermore you can buy poppies easily today. You can grow them just about.anywhere and until you start scoring the plants, its basically legal.. yet for some reason we're all not hooked on opioids.. wounder why? Almost everyone has had some form.of.opiods in their lifetime yet I.don't see many people running around trying to.score some heroin. Why us that? Because most people aren't complete morons... morons.yes.but not complete morons.. you have ZERO right to tell me what I can or.cannot do. You are not god. Say " I am not god" slowly about 1000 times as penance..
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#28
Either you support freedom or you don't, it's that simple. The same arguments for banning drugs can be used for banning guns. Think about that.
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#29
bac0nfat;136534 Wrote:Either you support freedom or you don't, it's that simple. The same arguments for banning drugs can be used for banning guns. Think about that.

Then I don't support 100% freedom. It's actually not that simple but if I have to explain you wouldn't understand.

Perhaps we should turn our back on the Vietnam Vets that came home hooked on heroin or the current soldiers hooked on pain killers and using dope to kill the pain of PTSD after all it's personal responsibility, right?
Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ~ Max von Stephanitz

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#30
das;136411 Wrote:I have also been on and off opiates for years but I dont take more than prescribed and they sure dont make me feel "high" although Ive never been high I dont feel the need to get nuts with it. Some people may benefit from this new stuff. I know I would rather take something that has a slow release so Im not going up and down on pain scale so much. I personally have taken a medication that made me feel so good that I wanted more and more. JMO YMMV

Ummm, you just described something you said you never did.

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