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Potent New Painkiller May Prove Lethal for Addicts, Critics Warn
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soberbyker;136588 Wrote:
das;136411 Wrote:I have also been on and off opiates for years but I dont take more than prescribed and they sure dont make me feel "high" although Ive never been high I dont feel the need to get nuts with it. Some people may benefit from this new stuff. I know I would rather take something that has a slow release so Im not going up and down on pain scale so much. I personally have taken a medication that made me feel so good that I wanted more and more. JMO YMMV

Ummm, you just described something you said you never did.

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Dam my one finger typing! Obviously its a typo but thank you for pointing that out. Could be all the drugs I dont take also. Will correct it NOW.
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#32
Exbiker;136586 Wrote:
bac0nfat;136534 Wrote:Either you support freedom or you don't, it's that simple. The same arguments for banning drugs can be used for banning guns. Think about that.

Then I don't support 100% freedom. It's actually not that simple but if I have to explain you wouldn't understand.

Perhaps we should turn our back on the Vietnam Vets that came home hooked on heroin or the current soldiers hooked on pain killers and using dope to kill the pain of PTSD after all it's personal responsibility, right?

What? By not banning something, we're "turning our backs" on veterans? That makes no sense.
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#33
bac0nfat;136606 Wrote:What? By not banning something, we're "turning our backs" on veterans? That makes no sense.

If they are hooked it was their responsibility, like others said natural selection. Let's just make an opiate that changes brain chemistry available to anybody. Tax it and sell it at 7-11.
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#34
Exbiker;136611 Wrote:
bac0nfat;136606 Wrote:What? By not banning something, we're "turning our backs" on veterans? That makes no sense.

If they are hooked it was their responsibility, like others said natural selection. Let's just make an opiate that changes brain chemistry available to anybody. Tax it and sell it at 7-11.
I don't want a society with no boundaries, chaos would be the rule.
Out of curiosity how does it change a persons brain. Is it permanent or temporary?
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#35
das;136618 Wrote:Out of curiosity how does it change a persons brain. Is it permanent or temporary?

from what I've read it messes with the neurotransmitters and floods the brain with dopamine. There is a chemical in the brain called gaba and that shuts down or controls the dopamine and if you don't have or produce enough it allows your brain to become attached to the feeling. There are chemical and neurological reasons for the addiction.

I have a relative working on PTSD and they think there are neurological reasons why some are vulnerable. Are they all permanent? No clue. But it's neither is a case of willpower.
Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ~ Max von Stephanitz

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#36
Exbiker;136611 Wrote:I don't want a society with no boundaries, chaos would be the rule.

Society should have boundaries, absolutely. I'm not an anarchist. Things like murder, theft, rape, vandalism, etc., should all be illegal. Punishing people for victimless crimes does nothing to prevent chaos.
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#37
No. We should respect their pain and help them but that doesn't mean making it illegal to set off firecrackers nor heroin.

Exbiker;136586 Wrote:
bac0nfat;136534 Wrote:Either you support freedom or you don't, it's that simple. The same arguments for banning drugs can be used for banning guns. Think about that.

Then I don't support 100% freedom. It's actually not that simple but if I have to explain you wouldn't understand.

Perhaps we should turn our back on the Vietnam Vets that came home hooked on heroin or the current soldiers hooked on pain killers and using dope to kill the pain of PTSD after all it's personal responsibility, right?

Exbiker;136611 Wrote:
bac0nfat;136606 Wrote:What? By not banning something, we're "turning our backs" on veterans? That makes no sense.

If they are hooked it was their responsibility, like others said natural selection. Let's just make an opiate that changes brain chemistry available to anybody. Tax it and sell it at 7-11.
I don't want a society with no boundaries, chaos would be the rule.

YEAP... No you got it. Did they force a soldier in Vietnam to shoot up heroin and I not hear about it? If they used heroin in substitution of morphine...drum roll... did they continue to force feed it to them for the remainder of their tour? NO... Bunch of nonsense.. It's the limbaugh defense. You're making excuses for poor behavior. You're giving them an out. It doesn't work that way.. You are responsible for what you do and no one else is...
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#38
The simple solution to this problem is abolishing the DEA and it's retarded scheduling system. This is one thing that always bothered the shit out of me when working behind the counter... according to the DEA a schedule I drug is any drug which has "no accepted medical use". Funny thing is a lot of the drugs on the schedule I shit list did have legit medical uses. Heroin for example we all know is highly addictive and all that and it will seriously fuck you up over the long term... on the other hand if you've just been in a head on collision and broken every bone in your body and will be completely unable to self administer drugs for months to come heroin suddenly might become a good and effective medical treatment option for he short term. In my mind snake oil like colloidal silver or homeopathic drugs or things like that ought to be schedule I long before heroin ever made that list.

I personally knew someone a while back who was suicidally depressed for months after losing a child. They finally took a powerful schedule I hallucinogen, they got to say goodbye and after that the depression pretty much vanished it was like someone turned their light back on, they became a different person after the self described "spiritual experience" occurred. Who am I to "protect" them
from that? With designer drugs coming out almost weekly the DEA is just arbitrarily banning substances that are popular with the kids before we know what the fuck we are banning. I've been to countries where injectable Hydromorphone (pretty much the most powerful commonly used pain killer there is) is OTC and anyone could just walk in and blast off to the moon. People know the risks though and don't appear to be using it any more or less than anywhere else I've been. The DEA is just a shell of an NSA type entity whose only goal is the destruction of our constitutional rights.
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