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PPD Gun Permit Unit
#1
Start of application: 9/17/2012
Letter received from GPU: Today (11/19/2012)


Difference of: 63 calendar days.


http://www.convertunits.com/dates/from/S...v+19,+2012

Quote:(e) Issuance of license.--

(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license.

Additionally...

Quote:(g) Grant or denial of license.--Upon the receipt of an application for a license to carry a firearm, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis of the investigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of the information contained in the application. If the sheriff refuses to issue a license, the sheriff shall notify the applicant in writing of the refusal and the specific reasons. The notice shall be sent by certified mail to the applicant at the address set forth in the application.


I'm wondering if I make a stink about this my license will be revoked.
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#2
They will tell you it's 45 business days. You will come back and say the statute doesn't say anything about business days. They will say too bad that's what it is. Sad

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see you make a stink about it but to really get them where it hurts you'd get tied up paying legal fees. Not everybody has the expendable cash to do that.
The law? The law is a human institution...
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#3
ArcticSplash;43922 Wrote:Start of application: 9/17/2012
Letter received from GPU: Today (11/19/2012)


Difference of: 63 calendar days.


http://www.convertunits.com/dates/from/S...v+19,+2012

Quote:(e) Issuance of license.--

(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license.

Additionally...

Quote:(g) Grant or denial of license.--Upon the receipt of an application for a license to carry a firearm, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis of the investigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of the information contained in the application. If the sheriff refuses to issue a license, the sheriff shall notify the applicant in writing of the refusal and the specific reasons. The notice shall be sent by certified mail to the applicant at the address set forth in the application.


I'm wondering if I make a stink about this my license will be revoked.

I'll bet they did not do the PICS check in the 10 days either.
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#4
It would take someone like the NRA with deep pockets to do much. And they're too busy sending out brochures and DVDs and dabbling in national politics that have nothing to do with 2A rights to be bothered.
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#5
My total time was 45 business days exactly.

It was the same for my parents.

I guess Philly cops cant count nor do they know state laws.
Kodiak, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#6
Kodiak;43941 Wrote:My total time was 45 business days exactly.

It was the same for my parents.

I guess Philly cops cant count nor do they know state laws.

Oh they know them, they just don't care, and why would they, their own city council keeps passing laws in violation of state law.
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#7
File an inquiry with lt. Lisa king. She'll respond favorably. Simply state that you're having issues or had issues and that you're part of a progun group. That from the open carry march in Philly last year her name came up. That her reputation was good in resolving issues quickly and within the confines of the law. She will take care of any situation so long as you're polite. While I agree she should be following the law and getting it done in time everytime if you talk to her your case will be handled appropriately probably 99% of the time.
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#8
ArcticSplash;43922 Wrote:Start of application: 9/17/2012
Letter received from GPU: Today (11/19/2012)


Difference of: 63 calendar days.


http://www.convertunits.com/dates/from/S...v+19,+2012

Quote:(e) Issuance of license.--

(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license.

Additionally...

Quote:(g) Grant or denial of license.--Upon the receipt of an application for a license to carry a firearm, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis of the investigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of the information contained in the application. If the sheriff refuses to issue a license, the sheriff shall notify the applicant in writing of the refusal and the specific reasons. The notice shall be sent by certified mail to the applicant at the address set forth in the application.


I'm wondering if I make a stink about this my license will be revoked.

Don't forget this:

1 Pa.C.S.A. § 1991

"“Day.” The time from midnight to the next midnight."

http://weblinks.westlaw.com/result/defau...C&vr=2%2E0

Care to raise it as an issue? Well if you want to go the legal route I recommend this guy:

http://www.princelaw.com/bio/JoshuaPrince.asp

Joshua Prince
Bechtelsville, Pennsylvania
phone 610-845-3803
fax 610-845-3903

If you want to go the political route, I recommend a certified letter to Lt. Lisa King. I've spoken to her a few times in person; if you show her the above in a clear and professional manner (I don't think it's been raised to her yet, as far as I know) she might just up and change it automatically.

If she doesn't, then hit the press about it with this guy:

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/stu_bykofsky/

He's highlighted issues with the PPD Gun Permit Unit before.

I actually have a pending Op-Ed for philly.com (finalizing it this weekend). They will publish pro-gun arguments, at least online, and sometimes even in print if the issue is getting enough attention.
IronSight, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#9
IronSight;43978 Wrote:
ArcticSplash;43922 Wrote:Start of application: 9/17/2012
Letter received from GPU: Today (11/19/2012)


Difference of: 63 calendar days.


http://www.convertunits.com/dates/from/S...v+19,+2012


Additionally...



I'm wondering if I make a stink about this my license will be revoked.

Don't forget this:

1 Pa.C.S.A. § 1991

"“Day.” The time from midnight to the next midnight."

http://weblinks.westlaw.com/result/defau...C&vr=2%2E0

Care to raise it as an issue? Well if you want to go the legal route I recommend this guy:

http://www.princelaw.com/bio/JoshuaPrince.asp

Joshua Prince
Bechtelsville, Pennsylvania
phone 610-845-3803
fax 610-845-3903

If you want to go the political route, I recommend a certified letter to Lt. Lisa King. I've spoken to her a few times in person; if you show her the above in a clear and professional manner (I don't think it's been raised to her yet, as far as I know) she might just up and change it automatically.

If she doesn't, then hit the press about it with this guy:

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/stu_bykofsky/

He's highlighted issues with the PPD Gun Permit Unit before.

I actually have a pending Op-Ed for philly.com (finalizing it this weekend). They will publish pro-gun arguments, at least online, and sometimes even in print if the issue is getting enough attention.


I am guessing they actually have a calendar in the office that calculates out how far (they think they can get away) with delaying the mail-out before they actually send it.
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#10
ArcticSplash;43922 Wrote:Start of application: 9/17/2012
Letter received from GPU: Today (11/19/2012)


Difference of: 63 calendar days.


http://www.convertunits.com/dates/from/S...v+19,+2012

Quote:(e) Issuance of license.--

(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license.

Additionally...

Quote:(g) Grant or denial of license.--Upon the receipt of an application for a license to carry a firearm, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis of the investigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of the information contained in the application. If the sheriff refuses to issue a license, the sheriff shall notify the applicant in writing of the refusal and the specific reasons. The notice shall be sent by certified mail to the applicant at the address set forth in the application.


I'm wondering if I make a stink about this my license will be revoked.

Not sure that this will matter, but by my count, it seems like it was 46 business days until you received your letter...
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