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Pro-Islam Group Asks Feds to Persecute Owner of Muslim-Free Gun Range
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Pro-Islam Group Asks Feds to Persecute Owner of Muslim-Free Gun Range
In a free country, any business could deny service to anyone.
OF COURSE YOU KNOW I COMPLETELY SUPPORT HER. das
Posted October 13, 2014 in Legal Issues by Russ Chastain
Jan Morgan, Proponent of Freedom

Jan Morgan, Proponent of Freedom. (Photo courtesy of Jan Morgan Media)

Jan Morgan made headlines in September when she declared her wish to make her indoor gun range “a Muslim Free Zone.”

Morgan provided ten good reasons for her decision in a blog post on her media company’s website.

Ms. Morgan has had her life threatened by followers of Islam, which naturally tends to cause hard feelings. Catering to such people in her business, which involves loaded firearms in close proximity to her, would be utterly foolish.
- See more at: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/10/13/pro...nG8ba.dpuf
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Sounds like that "Muslim Free" idea bombed.
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So... she bans them because they behave violently, and the response is threats of violence. Sounds just like Israel and Hamas.
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Ten*K;155255 Wrote:So... she bans them because they behave violently, and the response is threats of violence. Sounds just like Israel and Hamas.

Also sounds like her profiling was spot-on.

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Just goes to show there is no such thing as private business in the country. The government steals you profits, tells you who you can do business, regulates the shit out of you, if you don't give the mafia "their" cut they seize your property and inventory....I think the only reason the state hasn't taken over business entirely like in communism is because they'd make less money if people figured out that their business ultimately was property of the state.
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Sounds like someone is itching to send an "obvi Muslim" to her gun range to watch them reject him so he can file a 1st Amendment suit over religious liberty and a 14th Amendment equal protection case.


Here's what the other side had to say:

Quote:(WASHINGTON, D.C., 10/7/14) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today said it has asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to investigate a Hot Springs, Ark., shooting range that has been declared a "Muslim-free zone" by its owner.

The owner claims the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agrees with her claimed right to bar customers based on their faith.

In a letter to Attorney General Holder, CAIR wrote in part:

"[The shooting range owner] appears to be misinterpreting the advice given to her and refusing service to all Muslims, which cannot be a correct interpretation of compliance with federal gun laws and the U.S. Constitution.

"Given the recent spike in anti-Muslim rhetoric, including Islamophobic statements by government officials, community leaders and media outlets, death threats, and other bias incidents targeting Muslims, I urge you to investigate this matter soon.

"CAIR believes that systematically banning Muslims from a place of business is a violation of federal laws prohibiting racial and religious discrimination and will inevitably result in a hostile environment for ordinary Muslims in Arkansas."

CAIR sent copies of its letter to the U.S. Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, the governor of Arkansas, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Arkansas, and the ATF's Little Rock Field Office.

CAIR is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.


I dunno guys... if y'all hate that the gays are suing the wedding industry businesses that don't like the gay marriage for religious reasons, then you can't use continue to use that and then ignore this case which is clearly the same thing--denying customers access to your business because you're discriminating based on faith.

What if I had the Christian-Free Guns and Ammo Bulk Buyers Club that gets 30% discounts lower than you can find on anything on GunBroker, but if you self-identify with Christians and fail the Online Jesus Quiz--your shopping cart gets deleted?

If you try to falsely answer my Jesus Quiz it will be so blasphemous that you'll have to be re-born a couple dozen times to clear that sin off your soul, you heretic.
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ArcticSplash;155308 Wrote:Sounds like someone is itching to send an "obvi Muslim" to her gun range to watch them reject him so he can file a 1st Amendment suit over religious liberty and a 14th Amendment equal protection case.


Here's what the other side had to say:

Quote:(WASHINGTON, D.C., 10/7/14) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today said it has asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to investigate a Hot Springs, Ark., shooting range that has been declared a "Muslim-free zone" by its owner.

The owner claims the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agrees with her claimed right to bar customers based on their faith.

In a letter to Attorney General Holder, CAIR wrote in part:

"[The shooting range owner] appears to be misinterpreting the advice given to her and refusing service to all Muslims, which cannot be a correct interpretation of compliance with federal gun laws and the U.S. Constitution.

"Given the recent spike in anti-Muslim rhetoric, including Islamophobic statements by government officials, community leaders and media outlets, death threats, and other bias incidents targeting Muslims, I urge you to investigate this matter soon.

"CAIR believes that systematically banning Muslims from a place of business is a violation of federal laws prohibiting racial and religious discrimination and will inevitably result in a hostile environment for ordinary Muslims in Arkansas."

CAIR sent copies of its letter to the U.S. Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, the governor of Arkansas, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Arkansas, and the ATF's Little Rock Field Office.

CAIR is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.


I dunno guys... if y'all hate that the gays are suing the wedding industry businesses that don't like the gay marriage for religious reasons, then you can't use continue to use that and then ignore this case which is clearly the same thing--denying customers access to your business because you're discriminating based on faith.

What if I had the Christian-Free Guns and Ammo Bulk Buyers Club that gets 30% discounts lower than you can find on anything on GunBroker, but if you self-identify with Christians and fail the Online Jesus Quiz--your shopping cart gets deleted?

If you try to falsely answer my Jesus Quiz it will be so blasphemous that you'll have to be re-born a couple dozen times to clear that sin off your soul, you heretic.
Different situation Arctic. As far as I know there arent any radical gays beheading people, blowing shit up and trying to destroy the country.
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das;155311 Wrote:
ArcticSplash;155308 Wrote:Sounds like someone is itching to send an "obvi Muslim" to her gun range to watch them reject him so he can file a 1st Amendment suit over religious liberty and a 14th Amendment equal protection case.


Here's what the other side had to say:



I dunno guys... if y'all hate that the gays are suing the wedding industry businesses that don't like the gay marriage for religious reasons, then you can't use continue to use that and then ignore this case which is clearly the same thing--denying customers access to your business because you're discriminating based on faith.

What if I had the Christian-Free Guns and Ammo Bulk Buyers Club that gets 30% discounts lower than you can find on anything on GunBroker, but if you self-identify with Christians and fail the Online Jesus Quiz--your shopping cart gets deleted?

If you try to falsely answer my Jesus Quiz it will be so blasphemous that you'll have to be re-born a couple dozen times to clear that sin off your soul, you heretic.
Different situation Arctic. As far as I know there arent any radical gays beheading people, blowing shit up and trying to destroy the country.


Radical Christians certainly beheaded and even burned quite a number of people. Just doesn't happen as often now... but 17th century England it was happening a whole helluva lot (see: Bloody Mary, Crusades, execution of Charles I, Salem Witch shit, etc).

Religious persecution is primarily what drove a lot of white people to settle into this country pre-Ellis Island. It's certainly what provided a lot of first settlers into Pennsylvania. Anglicans made a lot of frowny faces at their sex-avoiding Puritanical nutcase neighbors and drove them off to this place and left us with lovely Shaker furniture.


Like I said man... this religion debate is just a bad look. The courts can step in and judge how faithful a person is to their particular beliefs or if they're just smartin' shit off to be a bigot. I work in a spread-out company where we have Orthodox jews and mostly liberal muslims under the same roof... I got an office in Bahrain.

We can't have a country where the only officially recognized religion is Christian-Protestantism and all other forms of belief are irrelevant. 1st Amendment says no to that.


I certainly support secular overlordship... because 2,000 years of history has proven conclusively without a doubt... no matter what religion you bring up--if you allow the religion to determine the state, it results in massive deaths and social upheaval. If you keep it in check with common sense and secularism, you wind up with a more-free society where the criminalization of thought is less. [Yes, the total abolishment of religion is bad too... see: Russian Revolution and the Soviet campaign to stamp out Orthodox Christianity and Islam from the Caucuses].

I will never understand the desire among religions to have control of the state so they can codify their morality and belief system into the nation's laws. It always results in instability and as you pile more and more religious doctrine into law you wind up with schism and eventually civil war as sectarianism takes over and fights for power. It always is like this and it always repeats itself in history. When you get rid of this, you wind up with a happier nation that is more free.

Look at Turkey. 99% Muslim country. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, Attaturk turned the core part of the empire, Turkey, into a secularist nation--ditched Arabic script in favor of of a Roman script for the Turkish language, and put the imams under certification of the government to squash the extremists. In the world of Muslim countries, Turkey is probably has the freest society across the Islamic Middle East because of this. It's also kept the country far more peaceful than its surrounding neighbors--and these days its economy has been booming. You don't have to wear a burka there if you don't want to and women can drive. Istanbul is kinda like Paris.


I'm not sure how you're showing how American you are by Jim Crowing muslims. I know this is all for show right now... but if we really adopted a trend to just persecute muslims here at home for no particular reason other than we think they're barbaric... how long do you think it will be before the same could be said about Adventists? Or Mormons? Southern Baptists severely despise Mormonism and considers them to be heretical.

To have many religions in this country of ours and still be free from theocratic tyranny, we kind of have to treat religions like children in the schoolyard. We let them play around and do their thing--when one of them starts acting up and beating up the other kids or misbehaves---teacher needs to come in and spank it.

The gun range owner---she could have made a better splash for herself and avoid a civil rights suit if she just shot up a stack of Qurans with a full-auto and tracer fire.
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I'm sure the Armenians agree.
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ArcticSplash;155308 Wrote:I dunno guys... if y'all hate that the gays are suing the wedding industry businesses that don't like the gay marriage for religious reasons, then you can't use continue to use that and then ignore this case which is clearly the same thing--denying customers access to your business because you're discriminating based on faith.

Businesses and individuals should be free to cater to, sell to, and hire whomever they like. If that means an anti-Muslim range, an anti-gay range, or an anti-male range so be it. Businesses and individuals should not be forced to sell to or provide services for anyone that wants to.

Government entities, on the other hand, are obligated to provide services and safety and hire anyone eligible regardless of any identifiable marker.

Quote:What if I had the Christian-Free Guns and Ammo Bulk Buyers Club that gets 30% discounts lower than you can find on anything on GunBroker, but if you self-identify with Christians and fail the Online Jesus Quiz--your shopping cart gets deleted?

That is, and should be, your right. I would not shop there, obviously. Nor would I deliberately shop there--knowing that there are other businesses that will happily cater to me without restriction or limitations--just to make a point.

I think a great many businesses that participate in such prohibitions are likely to fail, unless they cater to a specific type of clientele to begin with.

Curves, for example, discriminates fully and completely against men. This is perfectly acceptable according to society. Praised by feminists even. Obviously they are doing a booming business, because their discrimination caters to a specific type of clientele that not only fails to object, but goes there specifically because they discriminate in that way.
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