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Pro-Islam Group Asks Feds to Persecute Owner of Muslim-Free Gun Range
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Camper;155318 Wrote:
ArcticSplash;155308 Wrote:I dunno guys... if y'all hate that the gays are suing the wedding industry businesses that don't like the gay marriage for religious reasons, then you can't use continue to use that and then ignore this case which is clearly the same thing--denying customers access to your business because you're discriminating based on faith.

Businesses and individuals should be free to cater to, sell to, and hire whomever they like. If that means an anti-Muslim range, an anti-gay range, or an anti-male range so be it. Businesses and individuals should not be forced to sell to or provide services for anyone that wants to.

Government entities, on the other hand, are obligated to provide services and safety and hire anyone eligible regardless of any identifiable marker.

Quote:What if I had the Christian-Free Guns and Ammo Bulk Buyers Club that gets 30% discounts lower than you can find on anything on GunBroker, but if you self-identify with Christians and fail the Online Jesus Quiz--your shopping cart gets deleted?

That is, and should be, your right. I would not shop there, obviously. Nor would I deliberately shop there--knowing that there are other businesses that will happily cater to me without restriction or limitations--just to make a point.

I think a great many businesses that participate in such prohibitions are likely to fail, unless they cater to a specific type of clientele to begin with.

Curves, for example, discriminates fully and completely against men. This is perfectly acceptable according to society. Praised by feminists even. Obviously they are doing a booming business, because their discrimination caters to a specific type of clientele that not only fails to object, but goes there specifically because they discriminate in that way.

And Hooters, Tilted Kilt, etc.

First Amendment states Freedom of Association. That means with as well as without. While I do believe state laws should be followed, in these instances they violate the Constitution. So it needs to be challenged at the Federal level since the States are the ones violating those rights. I would apply that same sentiment to the 2A.

But then again, it's all PC-ism and politics. Up is down, positive is negative, and laws don't make sense anymore.
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I would say it is perfectly legitimate for them to have a Muslim only gun range if someone wants to have a Christian only gun range. I don't see the problem with that. The main issue I forsee is that pretty much everyone would call it and treat it like an Islamist "training camp". I would agree that given the track record though of things of this nature the authorities would have good reason to keep a close eye on it if something like this was created.

Ah the wonders of living in a truly free country! Bigotry and racism are not a crime. Yet.
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Emoticon;155330 Wrote:I would say it is perfectly legitimate for them to have a Muslim only gun range if someone wants to have a Christian only gun range. I don't see the problem with that. The main issue I forsee is that pretty much everyone would call it and treat it like an Islamist "training camp". I would agree that given the track record though of things of this nature the authorities would have good reason to keep a close eye on it if something like this was created.

Ah the wonders of living in a truly free country! Bigotry and racism are not a crime. Yet.

Well, she is using, as her legal interpretation, the fact that Islam is not simply a religion, and is therefor not subject to protection under the Fisrt.
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Was the thread title copied from an article?

I am curious where the term persecute came from, especially if a religious group is asking the feds to do it to a non-Muslim or anti-Muslim group or individual.

The word should be prosecute as in lawsuit (criminal or civil or both). Persecution is what the Muslim group is complaining they are suffering.

It is also funny that an individual is being accused of not following the Constitution (violating it). How can this be when it is really a contract yielding limited powers to government by individuals? Are civil rights violations underpinned in certain Amendments of the Constitution? Is that what they affirm, deny or charge in the proceedings?

Could one go to a religious 'commercial' bakery and force them to make pornographic cakes with questionable language on it? In this way, I do find the various concepts and differences in belief systems to be intriguing. Further, I can offer up no answers. When in doubt and if there is no danger to the 'injured' party, let the individuals figure it out, I guess.
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TaePo;155787 Wrote:Was the thread title copied from an article?

I am curious where the term persecute came from, especially if a religious group is asking the feds to do it to a non-Muslim or anti-Muslim group or individual.

The word should be prosecute as in lawsuit (criminal or civil or both). Persecution is what the Muslim group is complaining they are suffering.

It is also funny that an individual is being accused of not following the Constitution (violating it). How can this be when it is really a contract yielding limited powers to government by individuals? Are civil rights violations underpinned in certain Amendments of the Constitution? Is that what they affirm, deny or charge in the proceedings?

Could one go to a religious 'commercial' bakery and force them to make pornographic cakes with questionable language on it? In this way, I do find the various concepts and differences in belief systems to be intriguing. Further, I can offer up no answers. When in doubt and if there is no danger to the 'injured' party, let the individuals figure it out, I guess.
It was copied an pasted from the article. Did you check the link? It should come up exactly that way. I do understand what you mean though.
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das;155796 Wrote:
TaePo;155787 Wrote:Was the thread title copied from an article?

I am curious where the term persecute came from, especially if a religious group is asking the feds to do it to a non-Muslim or anti-Muslim group or individual.

The word should be prosecute as in lawsuit (criminal or civil or both). Persecution is what the Muslim group is complaining they are suffering.

It is also funny that an individual is being accused of not following the Constitution (violating it). How can this be when it is really a contract yielding limited powers to government by individuals? Are civil rights violations underpinned in certain Amendments of the Constitution? Is that what they affirm, deny or charge in the proceedings?

Could one go to a religious 'commercial' bakery and force them to make pornographic cakes with questionable language on it? In this way, I do find the various concepts and differences in belief systems to be intriguing. Further, I can offer up no answers. When in doubt and if there is no danger to the 'injured' party, let the individuals figure it out, I guess.
It was copied an pasted from the article. Did you check the link? It should come up exactly that way. I do understand what you mean though.

you should prostate yourself before him and beg forgiveness.
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