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Police: Aliquippa Woman Thwarts Robbery By Running Over Suspect

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/08/0...r-suspect/

Quote:Aliquippa police say a witness saw Cameron White walking down a street carrying what appeared to be a sawed off shotgun.

She called police, but noticed that White was heading in the direction of a group of children.

Police say she feared White was going to shoot the children, so she ran over him with her car.

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The Beaver County District Attorney says they are not going to charge her with running White over.

She committed assault with a vehicle when she had no clear evidence of a crime was about to be committed and they're not pressing charges?

While the guy may have been a scum bag, I don't believe that a citizen has the right to mow someone down because they think that he's gonna do something bad.
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Sounds like he should have invested in a sling for his "shotty". Rolleyes
steelcityk9cop, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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streaker69;114621 Wrote:She committed assault with a vehicle when she had no clear evidence of a crime was about to be committed and they're not pressing charges?

While the guy may have been a scum bag, I don't believe that a citizen has the right to mow someone down because they think that he's gonna do something bad.

I think her defense all depends on how he was carrying it.
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Camper;114623 Wrote:
streaker69;114621 Wrote:She committed assault with a vehicle when she had no clear evidence of a crime was about to be committed and they're not pressing charges?

While the guy may have been a scum bag, I don't believe that a citizen has the right to mow someone down because they think that he's gonna do something bad.

I think her defense all depends on how he was carrying it.

IMO, it's vigilante justice. It would be no different if you encountered someone and shot them dead because they were carrying a gun. In this case, it wasn't even a real gun. She should be charged with a crime.

Do people have the right to run down someone that they suspect of committing a crime?
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This was probably her vehicle

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Camper;114623 Wrote:
streaker69;114621 Wrote:She committed assault with a vehicle when she had no clear evidence of a crime was about to be committed and they're not pressing charges?

While the guy may have been a scum bag, I don't believe that a citizen has the right to mow someone down because they think that he's gonna do something bad.

I think her defense all depends on how he was carrying it.

That's the way I am seeing it as well. Add to that.... I'd like to see where and how the "children" were situated.

News articles blow too... what made the PD think the was going to do a robbery? Did he confess?
steelcityk9cop, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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steelcityk9cop;114627 Wrote:
Camper;114623 Wrote:I think her defense all depends on how he was carrying it.

That's the way I am seeing it as well. Add to that.... I'd like to see where and how the "children" were situated.

News articles blow too... what made the PD think the was going to do a robbery? Did he confess?

Exactly. Unless he confessed his intentions were to break the law, everything is based on speculation which is inadmissable in court. If the female driver were to be charged too, she can't even say her intentions were to thwart a robbery/shooting since that is speculation too....well, she could say that, but it's not a solid defense at all....unless she observed the male pointing "the gun" at the kids.
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steelcityk9cop;114627 Wrote:
Camper;114623 Wrote:I think her defense all depends on how he was carrying it.

That's the way I am seeing it as well. Add to that.... I'd like to see where and how the "children" were situated.

News articles blow too... what made the PD think the was going to do a robbery? Did he confess?

Did she, when she saw him know he was going to commit a robbery or shoot children or did she assume he was going to? I'd like to see the legal precedent that allows someone to preemptively run someone down because they think they're going to do something bad.

What if this was just a guy that was going to play airsoft with some friends? I don't believe there's a law that requires airsoft guns to have the orange blaze on them.

By the DA not pressing charges against her, they're setting the tone that it's ok to run down people that are carrying a gun because of something that they might be doing. That person getting run down could be your teenage son playing a game with his friends.
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streaker69;114630 Wrote:
steelcityk9cop;114627 Wrote:That's the way I am seeing it as well. Add to that.... I'd like to see where and how the "children" were situated.

News articles blow too... what made the PD think the was going to do a robbery? Did he confess?

Did she, when she saw him know he was going to commit a robbery or shoot children or did she assume he was going to? I'd like to see the legal precedent that allows someone to preemptively run someone down because they think they're going to do something bad.

What if this was just a guy that was going to play airsoft with some friends? I don't believe there's a law that requires airsoft guns to have the orange blaze on them.

By the DA not pressing charges against her, they're setting the tone that it's ok to run down people that are carrying a gun because of something that they might be doing. That person getting run down could be your teenage son playing a game with his friends.

It's the same legal precedent that allows you to shoot someone in defense of yourself or others.

Here's the skinny...you don't know what the lady saw.. the shotgun had no sling so he was at best holding it somehow like at port arms or worse. Was he acting weird... Was he walking creepy towards the kids... Was he running towards them...

We won't know what all went into her reasoning without sitting in on her interview.
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steelcityk9cop;114644 Wrote:
streaker69;114630 Wrote:Did she, when she saw him know he was going to commit a robbery or shoot children or did she assume he was going to? I'd like to see the legal precedent that allows someone to preemptively run someone down because they think they're going to do something bad.

What if this was just a guy that was going to play airsoft with some friends? I don't believe there's a law that requires airsoft guns to have the orange blaze on them.

By the DA not pressing charges against her, they're setting the tone that it's ok to run down people that are carrying a gun because of something that they might be doing. That person getting run down could be your teenage son playing a game with his friends.

It's the same legal precedent that allows you to shoot someone in defense of yourself or others.

Here's the skinny...you don't know what the lady saw.. the shotgun had no sling so he was at best holding it somehow like at port arms or worse. Was he acting weird... Was he walking creepy towards the kids... Was he running towards them...

We won't know what all went into her reasoning without sitting in on her interview.

Under this same line of reasoning, I could've shot the guy who slowed down near me with no cars infront of him, and then swerved infront of me as I was walking through the street around a construction area because he seemed suspicious, and might've wanted to do a drive by shooting or kidnap me.
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