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PSP learned something new...
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and will pass it on to all their operators and supervisors. Even their lawyers didn't know it.

Doing a BCG on a PSU student who is a non-resident, living off campus (for a handgun). PICS operator said they could not buy a handgun in PA (actually they can as a dual state resident/college student). I corrected her and she immediately went to a supervisor. I talked to the supervisor and she said that's fine as long as he did not live in a dormitory. I said that is incorrect. Well, I explained (read it to her) the ATF Ruling (80-21) and gave her the section. She said she would call me back. About 15 minutes later she called back and sincerely apologized and said they didn't know about that ruling and said even their lawyers didn't know that ruling. She assured me that that ruling will be emailed to all in the Firearms Unit with a special emphasis to the PICS operators AND supervisors.

She then (laughing) asked that if they had any questions in the future could they contact me for an explanation as it seemed I knew more about the gun laws than their lawyers. I suspect they (lawyers) were a bit red faced and maybe they'll bone up on the laws, both state and federal. I told her we all need to work together to make sure we aren't denying someone who can legally buy firearms in PA.

She (Brenda, a floor supervisor in the PICS unit) was very nice and didn't argue at all. She listened to me, noted the facts and took the information to the people who should have known and found out that they had been giving out mis-information and that it (in this case) the correct information will be disseminated to those that need it.
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Somehow that new ATF ruling really bothers me.  (Think 'Cho Seung-Hui' who was an American 'resident' rather than a naturalized citizen.)
L'enfer c’est les autres, et les choses terribles qu'ils font!'  -  Jean-Paul Sartre  
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(02-20-2018, 08:19 PM)Stinger Wrote: Somehow that new ATF ruling really bothers me.  (Think 'Cho Seung-Hui' who was an American 'resident' rather than a naturalized citizen.)

That ruling is not a "new" ruling.  It has been in place since 1980.  All the ruling says is that a US citizen student (as opposed to a foreign national student going to college here in the US - and that's a whole other story about those with certain US visas are allowed to buy guns).  A student who is not a resident of the state where they are going to college is considered a resident of that state while they are attending school.  They can be living on campus (dorm) or renting an apartment off campus, either way they are considered residents of the state where they are going to school.

The PSP was mistaken in that they thought that a dorm room did not allow the student to be considered a resident.  The ruling doesn't care where they reside (and it's spelled out in the ruling).  So the PSP has been wrong in the past when they deny a student from another state when buying a handgun.  They will be telling all the PICS operators that it is allowed by federal ruling.

It also has nothing to do with the rules that the campus might have (ie, no guns on campus).  If they live in a dorm, they can store their guns off campus or many places the campus police will allow them to store them in their armory.
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