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Question about wheel chairs.
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Now legally, we are not able to carry a long gun loaded in a vehicle. And PA cites a vehicle as a mode of conveyance. What about an electric wheel chair though? Any exemptions?

I ask, because a friend is curious about some of the OC rallies, and he has spina. . .spine . . .He uses an electric wheelchair to get around.
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I'm pretty sure that all wheelchairs are exempt from the definition of vehicle. I remember reading that previously.

Spina Bifida.
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streaker69;111551 Wrote:I'm pretty sure that all wheelchairs are exempt from the definition of vehicle. I remember reading that previously.

Spina Bifida.

This. He would still need his LTCF (or similar) to carry a handgun and get around those restrictions, and even a LTCF won't help with a loaded long gun (in a bus, car, etc).

I guess someone realized that we need to treat a wheelchair just like tennis shoes, or be guilty of creating an unfair prohibition on a protected class.
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Curmudgeon;111552 Wrote:
streaker69;111551 Wrote:I'm pretty sure that all wheelchairs are exempt from the definition of vehicle. I remember reading that previously.

Spina Bifida.

This. He would still need his LTCF (or similar) to carry a handgun and get around those restrictions, and even a LTCF won't help with a loaded long gun (in a bus, car, etc).

I guess someone realized that we need to treat a wheelchair just like tennis shoes, or be guilty of creating an unfair prohibition on a protected class.

What if he didn't have the firearm on him and someone else was driving the vehicle that did have an LTCF. Couldn't he then retrieve the firearm and carry it at his destination?
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Thanks for the info.

I was just wondering, I know with a LTCF he would be fine for a pistol. But if he were to OC a rifle, or go hunting, would there be an exemption. And of course, I got the answer quick lol. Thanks.
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streaker69;111554 Wrote:
Curmudgeon;111552 Wrote:This. He would still need his LTCF (or similar) to carry a handgun and get around those restrictions, and even a LTCF won't help with a loaded long gun (in a bus, car, etc).

I guess someone realized that we need to treat a wheelchair just like tennis shoes, or be guilty of creating an unfair prohibition on a protected class.

What if he didn't have the firearm on him and someone else was driving the vehicle that did have an LTCF. Couldn't he then retrieve the firearm and carry it at his destination?

By firearm, if you mean handgun, I just don't want to go there, and probably wouldn't allow myself to be dragged into that kind of conversation to begin with.

I would tell him to get his LTCF and then come talk to me. IMHO it just takes too much unnecessary energy and creativity to find ways around it. This isn't Maryland. As I believe Gunlawyer001 has said about things like this (paraphrasing) if your story isn't one you can tell to a judge without smirking, might not want to go there. Judges generally don;t respond well to cute.

Given how easy it is to violate some goofy malum prohibitum law and end up a prohibited person I don't get real enthusiastic about finding creative new ways around the those laws. I prefer using the legislature.

If by firearm you mean long gun as was discussed in the OP, it seems to me the laws are written rather differently and it seems as though transporting unloaded and then re-loading at destination would be seen as more reasonable because there is no exception for such with an LTCF, so unloading/reloading would be the only legal way possible.
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The way we find vehicle defined in the statutes is the same way we have to look for wheelchair, handicap or any other term.

If it is not defined in the 6100 section we must look in the parent and only the parent of Title 18. If it is not in 18, then we must look in Title 1.

I could be wrong and missed it, but I don't find anything.Angry
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kadar;111562 Wrote:The way we find vehicle defined in the statutes is the same way we have to look for wheelchair, handicap or any other term.

If it is not defined in the 6100 section we must look in the parent and only the parent of Title 18. If it is not in 18, then we must look in Title 1.

I could be wrong and missed it, but I don't find anything.Angry

You don't find vehicle in there? Or wheelchair?
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Curmudgeon;111566 Wrote:
kadar;111562 Wrote:The way we find vehicle defined in the statutes is the same way we have to look for wheelchair, handicap or any other term.

If it is not defined in the 6100 section we must look in the parent and only the parent of Title 18. If it is not in 18, then we must look in Title 1.

I could be wrong and missed it, but I don't find anything.Angry

You don't find vehicle in there? Or wheelchair?

Wheelchair, disability, handicap or any other exception.


There is an exception in Title 75 but we can't use that.
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I did find this : http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/motorVehicleC...vice.shtml

Self-propelled wheelchairs (electric wheelchairs) or an electric mobility device, specifically designed for and used by an individual with a mobility-related disability in lieu of walking, can be used on the berm of a roadway. These devices are not considered vehicles as defined by Section 102 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, so they are not subject to titling, registration, insurance, inspection and driver licensing laws. Operators of these devices should follow laws related to and be treated by motorists the same as a pedestrian.
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