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Rape is "something god intended to happen"
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Why don't these extremist religious conservatives understand that saying shit like god intended rape does not help them or their party in any way shape or form? People like this Richard Mourdock clown and Rick Santorum make conservatives look so stupid and so bad with the shit that comes out of their mouths. Santorum might have stood a very slim chance rather than no chance at all if he had given the abortion and anti-gay shit a rest during his campaigning, which gained him no votes at all from people who wouldn't already vote R. MSM is going to take this shit and run with it like when that other jackass said something similar over the summer.

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/263727...-to-happen

It's a shame someone hasn't bent this dude over a trashcan in a dark alley so we can ask him what he thinks about rape then. I honestly cannot get behind these "rape babies are a gift from god" conservatives at all. I honestly can't imagine something more traumatic or psychologically damaging than for a woman to be violently raped and then forced by religious law to carry her rapist's baby to term. It's disgusting and grotesque. Why don't these religious extremists crawl back in the hole they came out of and stop dragging the party down with their backward ass rhetoric?
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Emoticon;29166 Wrote:Why don't these extremist religious conservatives understand that saying shit like god intended rape does not help them or their party in any way shape or form? People like this Richard Mourdock clown and Rick Santorum make conservatives look so stupid and so bad with the shit that comes out of their mouth. Santorum might have had a very slim chance rather than no chance at all if he had given the anti-gay shit a rest which gains him no votes at all from people who wouldn't already vote R. MSM is going to take this shit and run with it like when that other jackass said something similar over the summer.

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/263727...-to-happen

It's a shame someone hasn't bent this dude over a trashcan in a dark alley so we can ask him what he thinks about rape then. I cannot get behind these "rape babies are a gift from god" conservatives. I honestly can't imagine something more traumatic or psychologically damaging than for a woman to be violently raped and then forced to carry her rapist's baby to term. Disgusting. Why don't these religious extremists crawl back in the hole they came out of and stop dragging the party down with their retarded rhetoric.

To be fair, he said that he believes that if someone gets pregnant as a result of a rape, that God intended for the person to get pregnant... NOT that rape is good. To quote him:

Quote:I struggled with it myself a long time but I came to realize that life is a gift from God, that I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape that it is something that God intended to happen"

It sounds like his point is that he believes that life begins at conception and is a life worthy of protection regardless of the circumstances in which that life was conceived. It further seems like he offered this as an explanation of his belief about abortion after rape because he believes that abortions should only be an option if the life of the mother is at risk.

As far as I can tell, if one believes that life is sacred and begins at conception, this is the only consistent view to hold. The consequences might not always be easy, but it is seldom easy to always stand for one's convictions.
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rmagill;29168 Wrote:
Emoticon;29166 Wrote:Why don't these extremist religious conservatives understand that saying shit like god intended rape does not help them or their party in any way shape or form? People like this Richard Mourdock clown and Rick Santorum make conservatives look so stupid and so bad with the shit that comes out of their mouth. Santorum might have had a very slim chance rather than no chance at all if he had given the anti-gay shit a rest which gains him no votes at all from people who wouldn't already vote R. MSM is going to take this shit and run with it like when that other jackass said something similar over the summer.

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/263727...-to-happen

It's a shame someone hasn't bent this dude over a trashcan in a dark alley so we can ask him what he thinks about rape then. I cannot get behind these "rape babies are a gift from god" conservatives. I honestly can't imagine something more traumatic or psychologically damaging than for a woman to be violently raped and then forced to carry her rapist's baby to term. Disgusting. Why don't these religious extremists crawl back in the hole they came out of and stop dragging the party down with their retarded rhetoric.

To be fair, he said that he believes that if someone gets pregnant as a result of a rape, that God intended for the person to get pregnant... NOT that rape is good. To quote him:

Quote:I struggled with it myself a long time but I came to realize that life is a gift from God, that I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape that it is something that God intended to happen"

It sounds like his point is that he believes that life begins at conception and is a life worthy of protection regardless of the circumstances in which that life was conceived. It further seems like he offered this as an explanation of his belief about abortion after rape because he believes that abortions should only be an option if the life of the mother is at risk.

As far as I can tell, if one believes that life is sacred and begins at conception, this is the only consistent view to hold. The consequences might not always be easy, but it is seldom easy to always stand for one's convictions.

I don't care if he believes in unicorns or some other fanciful notion on the inside. How does this help sway undecided voters to his cause? How does it make Romney's party look by proxy? Non-minority christian religious extremists who that comment is aimed at vote R...period...end of story. Saying stuff like this is literally preaching to the choir. For the vast majority of undecided and non-republican people they find these extremist religious views are off putting to say the least. Just because I happen to be conservative people automatically think I must be a bible thumper by proxy. I know people who would call themselves conservative leaning if not for the association with the evangelical faction and the baggage it carries. He's not helping our cause at all. In today's world if he wants to think that shit, go ahead, but keep your mouth shut while running about it until after the election and if you want to talk about religion talk about how wonderful god is in the mean time, but don't say stuff like this if you want to help your religious and other political interests come to fruition, it's political suicide for you and the party. You don't think Obama is going to riff off this and make us look like the conservative hillbilly bible thumping stereotypes the MSM loves to brand us all with?

Still, I really don't think as a male I have any business telling a woman whether or not she should carry her rape baby to term. Doing so is extremely presumptuous to a fault at the very the least. If the woman believes carrying the rape baby to term will guarantee her a first class ticket to heaven so be it, she can do so, but to impose the magical story book logic on others is problematic.
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#4
It seemed like you mis-quoted the polititian. He didn't say God wanted the rape or that rape is good. He simply said that he doesn't believe that abortion is viable option unless the choice is if the mom or baby lives. This is the point I was trying to draw out. If you're going to crucify yim, shouldn't it be for what he said and not what the LSM is making it out to be?

I couldn't agree more that often the biggest hindrance to Christianity is "Christians", but I think that argument is better had elsewhere.

Emoticon;29172 Wrote:
rmagill;29168 Wrote:To be fair, he said that he believes that if someone gets pregnant as a result of a rape, that God intended for the person to get pregnant... NOT that rape is good. To quote him:


It sounds like his point is that he believes that life begins at conception and is a life worthy of protection regardless of the circumstances in which that life was conceived. It further seems like he offered this as an explanation of his belief about abortion after rape because he believes that abortions should only be an option if the life of the mother is at risk.

As far as I can tell, if one believes that life is sacred and begins at conception, this is the only consistent view to hold. The consequences might not always be easy, but it is seldom easy to always stand for one's convictions.

I don't care if he believes in unicorns or some other fanciful notion on the inside. How does this help sway undecided voters to his cause? How does it make Romney's party look by proxy? Non-minority christian religious extremists who that comment is aimed at vote R...period...end of story. Saying stuff like this is literally preaching to the choir. For the vast majority of undecided and non-republican people they find these extremist religious views are off putting to say the least. Just because I happen to be conservative people automatically think I must be a bible thumper by proxy. I know people who would call themselves conservative leaning if not for the association with the evangelical faction and the baggage it carries. He's not helping our cause at all. In today's world if he wants to think that shit, go ahead, but keep your mouth shut while running about it until after the election and if you want to talk about religion talk about how wonderful god is in the mean time, but don't say stuff like this if you want to help your religious and other political interests come to fruition, it's political suicide for you and the party. You don't think Obama is going to riff off this and make us look like the conservative hillbilly bible thumping stereotypes the MSM loves to brand us all with?

Still, I really don't think as a male I have any business telling a woman whether or not she should carry her rape baby to term. Doing so is extremely presumptuous to a fault at the very the least. If the woman believes carrying the rape baby to term will guarantee her a first class ticket to heaven so be it, she can do so, but to impose the magical story book logic on others is problematic.
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rmagill;29178 Wrote:It seemed like you mis-quoted the polititian. He didn't say God wanted the rape or that rape is good. He simply said that he doesn't believe that abortion is viable option unless the choice is if the mom or baby lives. This is the point I was trying to draw out. If you're going to crucify yim, shouldn't it be for what he said and not what the LSM is making it out to be?

I couldn't agree more that often the biggest hindrance to Christianity is "Christians", but I think that argument is better had elsewhere.

Emoticon;29172 Wrote:I don't care if he believes in unicorns or some other fanciful notion on the inside. How does this help sway undecided voters to his cause? How does it make Romney's party look by proxy? Non-minority christian religious extremists who that comment is aimed at vote R...period...end of story. Saying stuff like this is literally preaching to the choir. For the vast majority of undecided and non-republican people they find these extremist religious views are off putting to say the least. Just because I happen to be conservative people automatically think I must be a bible thumper by proxy. I know people who would call themselves conservative leaning if not for the association with the evangelical faction and the baggage it carries. He's not helping our cause at all. In today's world if he wants to think that shit, go ahead, but keep your mouth shut while running about it until after the election and if you want to talk about religion talk about how wonderful god is in the mean time, but don't say stuff like this if you want to help your religious and other political interests come to fruition, it's political suicide for you and the party. You don't think Obama is going to riff off this and make us look like the conservative hillbilly bible thumping stereotypes the MSM loves to brand us all with?

Still, I really don't think as a male I have any business telling a woman whether or not she should carry her rape baby to term. Doing so is extremely presumptuous to a fault at the very the least. If the woman believes carrying the rape baby to term will guarantee her a first class ticket to heaven so be it, she can do so, but to impose the magical story book logic on others is problematic.

The essence of the full quote is the same it just doesn't fit in the subject line. The negative effect it will have the conservative movement is the same. LSM will treat it the same no matter how hard you try to dress it up here. My main argument is that what he said was far more damaging to his interests than keeping his mouth shut about it would have been... Seeing how the last time someone said something to this effect the democrats jumped all over it, used it as ammunition in addition to the statement going over like a lead balloon with the general populous... in addition to making him look like a jackass and hurting Romney campaign and the conservative cause by proxy.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/en...i-misspoke
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rmagill;29178 Wrote:It seemed like you mis-quoted the polititian. He didn't say God wanted the rape or that rape is good. He simply said that he doesn't believe that abortion is viable option unless the choice is if the mom or baby lives. This is the point I was trying to draw out. If you're going to crucify yim, shouldn't it be for what he said and not what the LSM is making it out to be?

I couldn't agree more that often the biggest hindrance to Christianity is "Christians", but I think that argument is better had elsewhere.

Emoticon;29172 Wrote:I don't care if he believes in unicorns or some other fanciful notion on the inside. How does this help sway undecided voters to his cause? How does it make Romney's party look by proxy? Non-minority christian religious extremists who that comment is aimed at vote R...period...end of story. Saying stuff like this is literally preaching to the choir. For the vast majority of undecided and non-republican people they find these extremist religious views are off putting to say the least. Just because I happen to be conservative people automatically think I must be a bible thumper by proxy. I know people who would call themselves conservative leaning if not for the association with the evangelical faction and the baggage it carries. He's not helping our cause at all. In today's world if he wants to think that shit, go ahead, but keep your mouth shut while running about it until after the election and if you want to talk about religion talk about how wonderful god is in the mean time, but don't say stuff like this if you want to help your religious and other political interests come to fruition, it's political suicide for you and the party. You don't think Obama is going to riff off this and make us look like the conservative hillbilly bible thumping stereotypes the MSM loves to brand us all with?

Still, I really don't think as a male I have any business telling a woman whether or not she should carry her rape baby to term. Doing so is extremely presumptuous to a fault at the very the least. If the woman believes carrying the rape baby to term will guarantee her a first class ticket to heaven so be it, she can do so, but to impose the magical story book logic on others is problematic.

The actual quote is more insane than the title of this thread leads one to believe.

Justin
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#7
I think we all agree that the LSM will present this in a damaging way. However, I do think the speaker was courageous for standing up for what he believes in evene though it isn't popular. Some people value politicing over brutal honesty while others view personal beliefs as more important. In a time when people try to shirk reaponsability and morality/ethics, I am glad to see some people stand by what they believe knowing it isn't popular.

I do disagree that both statements are essentially the same. One says that God intends for people to be raped while the other says that God intended one of the results of a horrific act to be a life that is worthy of protection. To me, this is a signigicant difference and not simply a matter of semantics.
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rmagill;29182 Wrote:I think we all agree that the LSM will present this in a damaging way. However, I do think the speaker was courageous for standing up for what he believes in evene though it isn't popular. Some people value politicing over brutal honesty while others view personal beliefs as more important. In a time when people try to shirk reaponsability and morality/ethics, I am glad to see some people stand by what they believe knowing it isn't popular.

I do disagree that both statements are essentially the same. One says that God intends for people to be raped while the other says that God intended one of the results of a horrific act to be a life that is worthy of protection. To me, this is a signigicant difference and not simply a matter of significance.

I disagree. If god intended the pregnancy, then god intended the rape.

Both are insane notions by themselves, together makes it bat shit.

Justin
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#9
Then as far as this thread is concerned, I'm going to agree to disagree (and it is straying from politics, which is the forum this is posted in). If you are genuinely interested in my opinion, I'll be more than happy to continue this via pm.
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#10
These idiots really need to shut the fuck up about this stuff.
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