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Raystown Lake anti-gun
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Stopped into the Visitors Center, at Raystown Lake this weekend, and asked the Counter person if firearms were permitted. She told me that I'd have to ask the Corps of Engineers, downstairs, but since it was federal property, she didn't think so. The Ranger at the Corps office told me that Raystown, unlike federal parks, does not fall under federal parks regulation of being allowed to carry, and the Corps has a no-firearm policy.
Interesting in that one person tried to use federal property as means not to allow firearms and the other says federal properties are different. I wonder what the truth really is?
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#2
Any ACE land is no guns. There's currently a lawsuit making it's way through the federal courts to try to overturn their arbitrary rules.
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Correct, yet when I asked the "girl behind the counter", her response was that she wasn't sure, yet she assumed not because it was federal property. If it were a federal park, you could carry. The Ranger correctly pointed that out, but then threw in the bit about it being ACE property. I'm glad the lawsuit is pending. Isn't ACE federal? In other words, aren't we just bantering semantics? Also, when I looked this up on line, prior to asking at the Visitor Center, there was no glaringly obvious clear cut definitive answer.
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ACE is federal land. National Parks are federal land.

The difference is (I'm pretty sure) that national parks are public land set aside and built for the public, where ACE land is government land that it allows the public to access. Raystown Lake, like many man-made lakes, are the result of a purpose that is still in effect or being maintained/managed. While a national park and some ACE property has a lot of similarities as far as allowing public activities and encouraging them to take place there, including leasing some of the land to businesses, the original purpose of the land is different.

That's why they fall under a different 'type' because parks were designed for the public to enjoy, raystown lake's public enjoyment is an afterthought.

Hopefully that will all become moot, and these ACE tourist destinations will be treated the same as the public land they've essentially turned it into.
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Right, and I would have no issue with ACE property that was being used for something strategic, let's say, but once you turn it into a public park, on federal land, you in essence have a federal park.
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DeadEye;166480 Wrote:Right, and I would have no issue with ACE property that was being used for something strategic, let's say, but once you turn it into a public park, on federal land, you in essence have a federal park.

That's the difference...they're allowing the public to use it and put parks on it...it isn't an established park. I think they're keeping it as is (allowing people to use it like a park) in the event that they need to drain it or divert the water or do something else with it.

Valley Forge, for example, will ALWAYS be a public park and it was designed to be one and a public park it will always remain. But a golf course on a military base is a recreational area which the military allows to exist but that will change if or when the needs of the base commander dictates. Raystown falls more into the latter than the former.
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(06-11-2015, 07:06 AM)Camper Wrote:
DeadEye;166480 Wrote:Right, and I would have no issue with ACE property that was being used for something strategic, let's say, but once you turn it into a public park, on federal land, you in essence have a federal park.

That's the difference...they're allowing the public to use it and put parks on it...it isn't an established park. I think they're keeping it as is (allowing people to use it like a park) in the event that they need to drain it or divert the water or do something else with it.

Valley Forge, for example, will ALWAYS be a public park and it was designed to be one and a public park it will always remain. But a golf course on a military base is a recreational area which the military allows to exist but that will change if or when the needs of the base commander dictates. Raystown falls more into the latter than the former.

I understand, and if they want to keep people away from the infrastructure of the dam, so be it. The recreation side, however IS a FEDERAL PARK - IMHO. If this was a court case concerning fair housing, I can already see the strained look on the Judge's face.
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DeadEye;166555 Wrote:The recreation side, however IS a FEDERAL PARK - IMHO. If this was a court case concerning fair housing, I can already see the strained look on the Judge's face.

In your opinion...not the governments. I'd honestly agree with you, but unfortunately the government doesn't therefore our opinions don't matter.
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Q: What's the ACE acronym stand for?
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Army Corps of Engineers unless you're Obama then it's Army Corpse of Engineers.
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