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Rifle/shotgun carry in Vehicle
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Ok so you can get the picture, I have been building my ultimate SHTF vehicle for quite some time now. It is a early 80s K5 blazer with a 12V cummins swap Big Grin custom built steel front and rear winch mount bumpers and a full lower exo cage Big Grin... Lets just say it is bullet proof pretty much lol... Also have a soft top and optional tube doors or half door I made.

Well I built a very nice lockable big cedar chest that clips down in the back behind the seats and is easily removable. I have 4 gun racks in it and shelves for ammo and spaces for other things and my BOB can sit perfectly beside it and a tent on the other side. Hope to get pictures soon. It is amazingly cool. It will be up at Carlisle next year.

I'm curious if I can legally have lets say two rifles and two shot guns in my cedar chest (unloaded with ammo in the box)(but still in the chest with it) I do have a valid LTCF and I know that doesn't cover Long guns (loaded).

Only reason I am concerned is it would be nice to have the Blazer fully loaded down. I mean it would be silly to have a SHTF vehicle when SHTF and still have to make it to my house for the arsenal.


And for those of you that are going to say it would be stupid to have those things were they can easily be stolen. Let me mind you that my blazer is sitting on 44s and always locked. I'm 5'11 and the hood is level with the top of my head. It would be very very hard to break the window and climb in, in a good manor of time. And the Latches I built for the chest are lockable and the chest locks. even if it wasn't, good luck lifting it out and getting down from that height with all that weight.

The truck on my avatar is on 42s the blazer is on 44s and also 2 more inches of lift. Just so you all can picture how tall the blazer is...
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#2
You can legally have unloaded long arms in a vehicle in PA. Here is the definition of "loaded":

"Loaded." A firearm is loaded if the firing chamber, the nondetachable magazine or in the case of a revolver, any of the chambers of the cylinder contain ammunition capable of being fired. In the case of a firearm which utilizes a detachable magazine, the term shall mean a magazine suitable for use in said firearm which magazine contains such ammunition and has been inserted in the firearm or is in the same container or, where the container has multiple compartments, the same compartment thereof as the firearm.

So if you have something like an AR15, keep loaded mags seperate. A typical bolt action with a non detachable magazine, or typical shotgun, can have the ammo duct taped to the gun if you want.
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And please post pictures of said Blazer for further evaluation. Big Grin
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AndrewG23;18618 Wrote:Ok so you can get the picture, I have been building my ultimate SHTF vehicle for quite some time now. It is a early 80s K5 blazer with a 12V cummins swap Big Grin custom built steel front and rear winch mount bumpers and a full lower exo cage Big Grin... Lets just say it is bullet proof pretty much lol... Also have a soft top and optional tube doors or half door I made.

Well I built a very nice lockable big cedar chest that clips down in the back behind the seats and is easily removable. I have 4 gun racks in it and shelves for ammo and spaces for other things and my BOB can sit perfectly beside it and a tent on the other side. Hope to get pictures soon. It is amazingly cool. It will be up at Carlisle next year.

I'm curious if I can legally have lets say two rifles and two shot guns in my cedar chest (unloaded with ammo in the box)(but still in the chest with it) I do have a valid LTCF and I know that doesn't cover Long guns (loaded).

Only reason I am concerned is it would be nice to have the Blazer fully loaded down. I mean it would be silly to have a SHTF vehicle when SHTF and still have to make it to my house for the arsenal.


And for those of you that are going to say it would be stupid to have those things were they can easily be stolen. Let me mind you that my blazer is sitting on 44s and always locked. I'm 5'11 and the hood is level with the top of my head. It would be very very hard to break the window and climb in, in a good manor of time. And the Latches I built for the chest are lockable and the chest locks. even if it wasn't, good luck lifting it out and getting down from that height with all that weight.

The truck on my avatar is on 42s the blazer is on 44s and also 2 more inches of lift. Just so you all can picture how tall the blazer is...

I wish you lived near philly so i could demonstrate to you just how fast someone can break into your monster truck. (I've been a repo man for a long time). With an auto center punch (which shatters glass instantly and surprisingly quietly), someone could be in your truck in literally 5 seconds flat. That being said, using security window lamination totally eliminates the smash and grab threat. Do you have laminated security windows? Wink

You can buy the stuff on the 3m site and have it installed locally at an approved shop.

I would reinforce the living shit out of that box my friend.
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Valorius;18633 Wrote:
AndrewG23;18618 Wrote:Ok so you can get the picture, I have been building my ultimate SHTF vehicle for quite some time now. It is a early 80s K5 blazer with a 12V cummins swap Big Grin custom built steel front and rear winch mount bumpers and a full lower exo cage Big Grin... Lets just say it is bullet proof pretty much lol... Also have a soft top and optional tube doors or half door I made.

Well I built a very nice lockable big cedar chest that clips down in the back behind the seats and is easily removable. I have 4 gun racks in it and shelves for ammo and spaces for other things and my BOB can sit perfectly beside it and a tent on the other side. Hope to get pictures soon. It is amazingly cool. It will be up at Carlisle next year.

I'm curious if I can legally have lets say two rifles and two shot guns in my cedar chest (unloaded with ammo in the box)(but still in the chest with it) I do have a valid LTCF and I know that doesn't cover Long guns (loaded).

Only reason I am concerned is it would be nice to have the Blazer fully loaded down. I mean it would be silly to have a SHTF vehicle when SHTF and still have to make it to my house for the arsenal.


And for those of you that are going to say it would be stupid to have those things were they can easily be stolen. Let me mind you that my blazer is sitting on 44s and always locked. I'm 5'11 and the hood is level with the top of my head. It would be very very hard to break the window and climb in, in a good manor of time. And the Latches I built for the chest are lockable and the chest locks. even if it wasn't, good luck lifting it out and getting down from that height with all that weight.

The truck on my avatar is on 42s the blazer is on 44s and also 2 more inches of lift. Just so you all can picture how tall the blazer is...

I wish you lived near philly so i could demonstrate to you just how fast someone can break into your monster truck. (I've been a repo man for a long time). With an auto center punch (which shatters glass instantly and surprisingly quietly), someone could be in your truck in literally 5 seconds flat. That being said, using security window lamination totally eliminates the smash and grab threat. Do you have laminated security windows? Wink

You can buy the stuff on the 3m site and have it installed locally at an approved shop.

I would reinforce the living shit out of that box my friend.

I have the auto center emergency punches with the belt cutters I understand where you are coming from. I'm more or less stating the fact of how tall it is. The bottom of my door window is above my head lol you would have to punch the window, pull yourself up to unlock and climb in (old chevy squeaky doors). Then climb in the back and some how lift a locked chest containing two rem 870s and two Aks and my other G23. with 100 rounds of 12g and 100 rounds of 762 and 50 rounds of 40S&W. Plus mre's, med kit, 4 emergency blankets, 2x pillows, 2x sleeping bags, and other odds and ends. The chest is pretty slick Big Grin

I've never seen anything like what my Blazer is turning into. I am hesitating on posting pics because I have lots of people dying to see it and I want to wait until Carlisle truck nationals to reveal everything and I believe in OP-SEC. Trust me you can't forget what it looks like once you seen it. That's why I'm most likely going to only post interior pics.

Plus like I said I made two latches the chest sits in and latches down. Kind of like the latch on a ammo can. and I fabricated them so I can lock each one with a master lock (pad type).

I have broke into friends trucks before as a joke and they aren't as big as the blazer and was still difficult lol...

And for the 3M shatter glass you're talking about, I'm going to put a light tint on the windows to help with that. I don't want dark tint because I will still be wheeling with it and going to Roushe creek and trail riding with tint gets tricky when it's getting dark lol.
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bac0nfat;18623 Wrote:You can legally have unloaded long arms in a vehicle in PA. Here is the definition of "loaded":

"Loaded." A firearm is loaded if the firing chamber, the nondetachable magazine or in the case of a revolver, any of the chambers of the cylinder contain ammunition capable of being fired. In the case of a firearm which utilizes a detachable magazine, the term shall mean a magazine suitable for use in said firearm which magazine contains such ammunition and has been inserted in the firearm or is in the same container or, where the container has multiple compartments, the same compartment thereof as the firearm.

So if you have something like an AR15, keep loaded mags seperate. A typical bolt action with a non detachable magazine, or typical shotgun, can have the ammo duct taped to the gun if you want.


So AK's mags can't be loaded and in the chest? Right? But if mags, firearm and ammo is separate it will be fine. And if I keep the mags loaded they have to be separate? So I will just make a separate box strictly for ammo.

Glock won't matter because I have my LTCF no matter where it is stored.

870's can't have a loaded tube either?

I was planning on keeping them unloaded. I was just concerned about the ammo being in the chest with it..

And I apologize, it is getting late my ADHD is getting bad.
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#7
It sounds like you should add the 3m laminated security film to your truck anyway, just for the badassedness it would add to your behemoth.

It basically turns your side and rear windows into windshields. Even big impacts won't penetrate the glass in most cases. Someone can stand there and pound on the window with a bat, and they won't get in even after a dozen or so swings.

Go for it. You know you want to do it. Big Grin Big Grin

They even sell stuff that turns your existing windows into level IIA bullet resistant panels (.38spl+P, std pressure 9mm, .40S&W, .45 auto). It's on the 3m site too. I asked my tint guy about it a few months ago, he said you have to take all the glass out to do that right, but the price including the film was still only $1000. I was thinking about getting my Porsche 928 done.
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Valorius;18699 Wrote:It sounds like you should add the 3m laminated security film to your truck anyway, just for the badassedness it would add to your behemoth.

It basically turns your side and rear windows into windshields. Even big impacts won't penetrate the glass in most cases. Someone can stand there and pound on the window with a bat, and they won't get in even after a dozen or so swings.

Go for it. You know you want to do it. Big Grin Big Grin

They even sell stuff that turns your existing windows into level IIA bullet resistant panels (.38spl+P, std pressure 9mm, .40S&W, .45 auto). It's on the 3m site too. I asked my tint guy about it a few months ago, he said you have to take all the glass out to do that right, but the price including the film was still only $1000. I was thinking about getting my Porsche 928 done.


Yeah I am def checking out that 3M stuff. Taking the windows out wont be a problem, I have had all the glass out when I was building it anyhow... But 1000 is a good chunk of change. for BP windows lol and once they are shot once they will most likely be all busted up. Hehe it'd be nice to make the windows invincible so I could make bets with friends Big Grin LMAO!! Like on the movie GreentLantern!

And talking about bullet proof. I did some cheap things to help a little. I bolted 1/2" sheet of steal over the the tail gate 1/4" in sheet bolted across the whole back of the back seat, and I put 4 studs on the front of the cedar chest and drilled holes in another plate so I can quick attach another 1/4" sheet to the chest. So either way if the chest isn't in the truck you'd have to penetrate 2 plates and 2 seats to hit me and with the chest in it you'd have to go through 3 sheets Big Grin


I would like to save up money and see if I can get ceramic sheets like what they use for vests and line the truck in that and also build a steel box around my fuel tank and put ceramic inserts in and around it too.

Got to keep in mind, I 12v cummins swapped it so I'm not worried about all the weight. I wont tell the difference.
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Valorius;18699 Wrote:It sounds like you should add the 3m laminated security film to your truck anyway, just for the badassedness it would add to your behemoth.

It basically turns your side and rear windows into windshields. Even big impacts won't penetrate the glass in most cases. Someone can stand there and pound on the window with a bat, and they won't get in even after a dozen or so swings.

Go for it. You know you want to do it. Big Grin Big Grin

They even sell stuff that turns your existing windows into level IIA bullet resistant panels (.38spl+P, std pressure 9mm, .40S&W, .45 auto). It's on the 3m site too. I asked my tint guy about it a few months ago, he said you have to take all the glass out to do that right, but the price including the film was still only $1000. I was thinking about getting my Porsche 928 done.

Hey man I can't find this stuff anywhere on the site... Not even the IIA bullet resistant panels.

Can you link me?
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I can't answer your question, but I do want to go for ride in it.
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