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Ron Paul hates the UN so much, he appeals to them for help...
#41
ExcelToExcel;78218 Wrote:He specifically opened this wrbsite making and promoting ron paul the representative worse he sells ron paul stuff for profit without permission, this is fine only if hes reselling what he bought from ron paul or has permission.

Then he should have gotten him on copyright infringement, if Ron had his stuff copyrighted (which i doubt). Apparently you don't really understand how copyright infringement works. I have a music company and publishing company and I deal with these things every day and have seen it all. From what I read Ron does not have a leg to stand on....unless there are things left out (which is usually the case).
"The colors, the colors. Has anybody seen my good friend John?" Then he lit up a banana and he hung up.

Al Bundy.
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#42
thebearpack;78228 Wrote:
andrewjs18;78223 Wrote:you're literally comparing apples to oranges with Romney and Paul because they're so far apart on either being anti-liberty or pro-liberty that it's not even funny.

I'm not comparing them. I'm saying that every other potential Republican candidate was destroyed during the primary process either by the media or by fellow conservatives/independents/libertarians who would claim that the candidate had no principles because he did X, Y, or Z. Yet those same detractors claim there is nothing to see here because Paul is simply "working the system", not abandoning his principles.

I'm not entirely sure how he's 'abandoning his principles'. my initial comments lacked the knowledge of ICANN dispute resolution policies within their contract. Since ICANN is one of, if not the only, DNS organizations that is widely used, people are truly stuck with how they go about getting things done, if they want to do things on the internet.

I don't know the full details as to what was done on this matter, but apparently Ron reached out to the people who own ronpaul.com about getting the domain, the owners of ronpaul.com sent him a document stating that they'd prefer to keep ronpaul.com for whatever reasons and if he wanted to buy it, they provided a number that they felt it was worth. from my understanding, Ron thought the number was too high so the owners on ronpaul.com sent him other offers which subsequently fell through as well. I guess Ron decided the negotiations weren't going well so he went through the dispute resolution steps outlined in the ICANN contract that the owner(s) (I'm not sure if there's more than 1 of them) voluntarily agreed to. As ICANN is a private organization, it's free to use whatever 3rd party it wants to handle these disputes.

would we all like to see this handled through a private entity? sure, but we don't own ICANN so we don't set their policies.
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#43
andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:I'm not entirely sure how he's 'abandoning his principles'.

Allow me to use your own summary to explain:

andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:apparently Ron reached out to the people who own ronpaul.com about getting the domain, the owners of ronpaul.com sent him a document stating that they'd prefer to keep ronpaul.com for whatever reasons and if he wanted to buy it, they provided a number that they felt it was worth. from my understanding, Ron thought the number was too high so the owners on ronpaul.com sent him other offers which subsequently fell through as well. I guess Ron decided the negotiations weren't going well so...

If at this point you said that he either a) offered more money or b) walked away, then you could argue that he was sticking to his free market principles.

But when you say this:

andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:he went through the dispute resolution steps outlined in the ICANN contract that the owner(s) (I'm not sure if there's more than 1 of them) voluntarily agreed to.

You are simply making excuses for Paul running to a third party for "justice".

andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:would we all like to see this handled through a private entity? sure.

And considering how every other Republican candidate is demonized for using the system (ie, the force of some faceless entity) for personal gain, you should be the first one criticizing Paul right now. The fact that you are not speaks volumes.
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thebearpack;78254 Wrote:
andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:I'm not entirely sure how he's 'abandoning his principles'.

Allow me to use your own summary to explain:

andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:apparently Ron reached out to the people who own ronpaul.com about getting the domain, the owners of ronpaul.com sent him a document stating that they'd prefer to keep ronpaul.com for whatever reasons and if he wanted to buy it, they provided a number that they felt it was worth. from my understanding, Ron thought the number was too high so the owners on ronpaul.com sent him other offers which subsequently fell through as well. I guess Ron decided the negotiations weren't going well so...

If at this point you said that he either a) offered more money or b) walked away, then you could argue that he was sticking to his free market principles.

again, even in a free market system, and especially one without the state, an arbitration company would be used to resolve these issues - one that was specified by the DNS organization's contract or the registrar's contract.

thebearpack;78254 Wrote:But when you say this:

andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:he went through the dispute resolution steps outlined in the ICANN contract that the owner(s) (I'm not sure if there's more than 1 of them) voluntarily agreed to.

You are simply making excuses for Paul running to a third party for "justice".

no, I'm not. you obviously haven't read too much into how courts would be handled in a private law society and/or one where the free market is alive and well.

check out some Murray Rothbard or David Friedman or Robert Murphy for more on that topic. Tongue

thebearpack;78254 Wrote:
andrewjs18;78250 Wrote:would we all like to see this handled through a private entity? sure.

And considering how every other Republican candidate is demonized for using the system (ie, the force of some faceless entity) for personal gain, you should be the first one criticizing Paul right now. The fact that you are not speaks volumes.

ICANN, being the private entity that it is, has specified within their contract that the UN would be used in some shape or form to handle domain name disputes.

I can't dictate who a private company does business with and I sure hope you wouldn't either.
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#45
andrewjs18;78271 Wrote:again, even in a free market system, and especially one without the state, an arbitration company would be used to resolve these issues - one that was specified by the DNS organization's contract or the registrar's contract.

This is where I find fault with your reasoning. You are a libertarian with anarchistic leanings, correct? So why the support of a third party entity for arbitration, voluntary* or not? I would think it should work this way in a truly free market:

I own an item. You want to buy the item. You pay my asking price or you go away.

* I also question the notion of the "voluntary" agreement to arbitration as it's likely something they must accept when buying the domain; hence, their only real choice was to buy or not buy.
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#46
thebearpack;78277 Wrote:
andrewjs18;78271 Wrote:again, even in a free market system, and especially one without the state, an arbitration company would be used to resolve these issues - one that was specified by the DNS organization's contract or the registrar's contract.

This is where I find fault with your reasoning. You are a libertarian with anarchistic leanings, correct? So why the support of a third party entity for arbitration, voluntary* or not? I would think it should work this way in a truly free market:

I own an item. You want to buy the item. You pay my asking price or you go away.

* I also question the notion of the "voluntary" agreement to arbitration as it's likely something they must accept when buying the domain; hence, their only real choice was to buy or not buy.

I'm more radical than a libertarian, I'm an anarcho-capitalist, hence the yellow & black flag in my avatar.

anarcho-capitalist FAQ

as mentioned before, arbitration is totally acceptable in a free and stateless society that would be provided by a private entity. for more information on this, check out this chapter in David Friedman's book called "Machinery of Freedom": http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Libertaria...er_29.html

as for making a voluntary choice, the person did have a choice: he either could of not bought the domain or bought it and agreed to the contract for purchasing the domain. yes, there aren't really any (I'm not 100% sure on this so I can't say whether there are or there aren't) alternatives to the ICANN so he's stuck in that regards.
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#47
Doesn't require much of a fucking brain to understand that you own your likeness and your name and your personality.

Libertarians are FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS. When someone uses your name, without permission barring a few circumstances like parody for profit, you're violating personal property rights.

This doesn't violate shit.
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ExcelToExcel;78558 Wrote:Doesn't require much of a fucking brain to understand that you own your likeness and your name and your personality.

Libertarians are FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS. When someone uses your name, without permission barring a few circumstances like parody for profit, you're violating personal property rights.

This doesn't violate shit.

Apparently it takes a fucking brain (see, I can curse too) to figure out that there is more than one Ron Paul in the world and that the one who apparently thinks he's most important has no more claim over the domain name than the thousands of other Ron Pauls do. That said, the reality is that he has zero right to property that ANOTHER PERSON BOUGHT AND PAID FOR (oh, I can use all caps as well... nice, huh?). Critical thinking goes a lot farther in a debate than profanity and shouting.
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#49
ExcelToExcel;78558 Wrote:Doesn't require much of a fucking brain to understand that you own your likeness and your name and your personality.

Libertarians are FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS. When someone uses your name, without permission barring a few circumstances like parody for profit, you're violating personal property rights.

This doesn't violate shit.

So it took Ron Paul 13 years to decide he wanted to protect his name on the internet?

Funny how Ron Paul had no issue with the website when he was running for office and THEY were trying to get him elected, but now that he's not running anymore he 'suddenly' realizes that he wants his name and they have no right to use it.

Sounds to me like Ron Paul's 'useful idiots' aren't useful to him anymore....
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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#50
This web site ISNT ABOUT ANY OTHER FUCKING RON PAUL. The entire website is basically about THIS RON PAUL.

We can at least try to stick to facts instead of making a strawman argument that this was some guy that was also named ron paul that opened the website to talk or promote about someone or even something else.



thebearpack;78579 Wrote:
ExcelToExcel;78558 Wrote:Doesn't require much of a fucking brain to understand that you own your likeness and your name and your personality.

Libertarians are FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS. When someone uses your name, without permission barring a few circumstances like parody for profit, you're violating personal property rights.

This doesn't violate shit.

Apparently it takes a fucking brain (see, I can curse too) to figure out that there is more than one Ron Paul in the world and that the one who apparently thinks he's most important has no more claim over the domain name than the thousands of other Ron Pauls do. That said, the reality is that he has zero right to property that ANOTHER PERSON BOUGHT AND PAID FOR (oh, I can use all caps as well... nice, huh?). Critical thinking goes a lot farther in a debate than profanity and shouting.
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