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S&W Model 60 or Ruger SP101?
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Mrs. Bitter has adopted my Smith and Wesson 638 so that leaves me w/o a pocket gun. Rather than just getting another 638 (I still get visitation rights) I thought I'd step up to a .357. I've done a little research and I've narrowed it down to two contenders, S&W Model 60 and the Ruger SP101 with a possible dark horse candidate in the S&W 649.

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Ruger SP101

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Smith and Wesson Model 60

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Smith and Wesson 649

I've found the Model 60 and SP101 in my local shops but haven't been able to track down a 649 as of yet. One place told me the 649 was discontinued but it still shows up on smith-wesson.com.

My first impressions of the Ruger SP101 were favorable. All three guns have the fixed "gutter" rear sights but the one on the Ruger seems a bit deeper and gave me a nicer sight picture. Also the frame on the Ruger seems a bit beefier. I don't plan on feeding this gun a steady diet of magnums but I want to have confidence that it will hold up to the abuse a .357 can dish out. I'll give the nod to the S&W trigger but I don't really have any complaints about the Ruger. When firing double action the Model 60 just seems a bit smoother. The one thing keeping the 649 in the running is the shrouded hammer. My 638 had this feature and it seems like a nice feature in a pocket gun. Then again, may be the potential hammer-snag-on-the-pocket thing isn't really an issue I should worry about.

What I'm looking for is some opinions on these guns. If you've owned/shot/handled any/all of these please let me know what you think.
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#2
I like my revolvers to have hammers. I hate shooting double action with revolvers. I also hate fixed rear sights (sights with the U-cut into the rear sights). I prefer adjustable sights (rear sights that are square with a notch cut out of them to line up the front sight with). That being said, if you are going to use it for concealed carry, I'd go 649, SP101, then 60 in that order. If you don't mind shooting DAO then check out the LCR in .357.
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I own the SP101 2.25 inch in .357 it's a little tank. I'd suggest getting a Hogue monogrip for it as it can be a bear shooting .357 for any length of time.

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Honestly, you can't go wrong with either. I've got a lot of trigger time with both, and I love em both. I don't own either, I'm just lucky enough to have friends with them.

The Ruger is beefier, fo sho. You can beat someone to death with it, if you need to. Like Sober said, you might need to swap grips, because the factory ones kinda suck.

The Smith is built like a tank, too, but feels more...streamlined? Svelte? It's definitely not as heavy as the Ruger. I like the trigger pull on the Smith better, but that oculd be because the one I shot were already broken in. I've also shot the Performance Center model, and there is quite a noticeable difference in the action...as well as the price.

If I could afford to, I'd buy both. If I had to choose....I don't know, that's a tough choice. I guess the Ruger, since it typically goes for less than the Smith.
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Has S&W resolved the safety lock issues yet? That is the main reason I started buying Rugers.
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csmith;128387 Wrote:Has S&W resolved the safety lock issues yet? That is the main reason I started buying Rivers.

The safety lock issues, as far as I know, are like mountain lions in PA: everyone knows someone who saw it, or heard about it, but have never actually seen it themselves.
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Philadelphia Patriot;128360 Wrote:I like my revolvers to have hammers. I hate shooting double action with revolvers. I also hate fixed rear sights (sights with the U-cut into the rear sights). I prefer adjustable sights (rear sights that are square with a notch cut out of them to line up the front sight with). That being said, if you are going to use it for concealed carry, I'd go 649, SP101, then 60 in that order. If you don't mind shooting DAO then check out the LCR in .357.

The 649 can be shot single action since it does have a hammer. It's hard to see in the original post pictures since only a small portion of the hammer protrudes past the shroud. Here's a better view

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Rik Bitter;128408 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;128360 Wrote:I like my revolvers to have hammers. I hate shooting double action with revolvers. I also hate fixed rear sights (sights with the U-cut into the rear sights). I prefer adjustable sights (rear sights that are square with a notch cut out of them to line up the front sight with). That being said, if you are going to use it for concealed carry, I'd go 649, SP101, then 60 in that order. If you don't mind shooting DAO then check out the LCR in .357.

The 649 can be shot single action since it does have a hammer. It's hard to see in the original post pictures since only a small portion of the hammer protrudes past the shroud. Here's a better view

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Yup! That is why that one was my first pick. The only thing I wish it had were rear sights similar to the picture I posted below:

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Update.

I found my new carry gun. While visiting King's Shooters Supply in KOP for the first time I spotted a used S&W Model 60 and a used 649 in one of the cases. I looked them both over and ultimately decided on the Model 60. The original grips are gone, replaced with a set of Uncle Mike's but other than that it appears to be in great shape. The trigger is S&W usual brand of awesome and there were no major flaws I could spot. Thanks to everyone who offered an opinion.

Anyone know what year S&W started the Saf-T-Lok thing on the Model 60?
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There was a time that S&W used Uncle Mikes grips - we have a few and purchased the ones with the logo from S&W just to keep. I really don't see a difference in them.

I was told by a few sales people that the Ruger and S&W are comparable in strength even though everyone thinks the beefier Ruger is tougher. It is all in the steel process - cast or machined (forged). They say Ruger needs more metal due to its manufacturing process and the steel being cast. S&W does not need the extra steel to have the same strength due to its forging process.
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