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SCOTUS rules DOMA unconstitutional
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Spacemanvic;107166 Wrote:So as long as it doesnt force churches to perform a gay marriage........

This has absolutely fuck-all to do with churches. It has to do with whether or not legally married same-sex couples get the same federal government benefits and protections as opposite-sex couples.

Camper;107183 Wrote:You say that, but then we find this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/07/gay...ding-cake/

So yes, churches and other religious organizations (or anyone else) will be forced via the bully pulpit (pardon the pun) of civil lawsuits.

Because they're suing over a state anti-discrimination law?
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heili;107186 Wrote:Because they're suing over a state anti-discrimination law?

And you don't think that will translate into suing churches for the same reason for not performing the ceremony on religious grounds?

Which is essentially the 'forcing' that Justin said will not happen.
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Camper;107187 Wrote:And you don't think that will translate into suing churches for the same reason for not performing the ceremony on religious grounds?

Which is essentially the 'forcing' that Justin said will not happen.

Before you get all upset about your church being forced to perform same-sex weddings, you wait and see whether or not this bakery lawsuit has any effect whatsoever on this bakery. Then after that, maybe think about the difference between a bakery and a church.

Because right now, you're just going off in a panic over something nobody's even suggested.
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kadar;107184 Wrote:
God's Country;107172 Wrote:The solution is to get the government...all government out of marriage. That includes tax breaks, and other incentives to married couples including their children. It's complete bullshit.

They can't get out. They set it up that they are perpetually involved. Just look at a traditional marriage. A contract between a husband, a wife and the government. You can change or remove any of the former 2 but the later still remains.

Oh I agree completely. The gov will never get out. They want to dictate what is right and normal, and incentivize that behavior.
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heili;107186 Wrote:
Spacemanvic;107166 Wrote:So as long as it doesnt force churches to perform a gay marriage........

This has absolutely fuck-all to do with churches. It has to do with whether or not legally married same-sex couples get the same federal government benefits and protections as opposite-sex couples.

'Cause the Fed has such a great reputation of keeping it's nose out of things? This is their entry into the tent, just watch..

heili;107190 Wrote:
Camper;107187 Wrote:And you don't think that will translate into suing churches for the same reason for not performing the ceremony on religious grounds?

Which is essentially the 'forcing' that Justin said will not happen.

Before you get all upset about your church being forced to perform same-sex weddings, you wait and see whether or not this bakery lawsuit has any effect whatsoever on this bakery. Then after that, maybe think about the difference between a bakery and a church.

Because right now, you're just going off in a panic over something nobody's even suggested.

Got any clues on how lawsuits and precedence work?
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Spacemanvic;107168 Wrote:
JustinHEMI;107163 Wrote:Congratulations, America! A great victory that we should be proud of, as a Nation that values individual rights.

Justin

Nothing like the government enforcing its will in yet ANOTHER facet of life! So much for the right of the values of individuals!



I agree, that's what DOMA did. Now it can't.


Spacemanvic;107168 Wrote:
JustinHEMI;107167 Wrote:Striking down an unconstitutional law doesn't force anyone to do anything.

Justin

Traditional marriage laws still stand in 34 states.......especially in light of the SCOTUS ruling.

Right, like I said, this ruling forces no one to do anything. It simply gets the federal government out of something it has no business being in.

Justin

Camper;107183 Wrote:
JustinHEMI;107167 Wrote:Striking down an unconstitutional law doesn't force anyone to do anything.

Justin

You say that, but then we find this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/07/gay...ding-cake/

So yes, churches and other religious organizations (or anyone else) will be forced via the bully pulpit (pardon the pun) of civil lawsuits.

That has nothing to do with what I said about this ruling.

Justin
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I'm ok with this. Discrimination in violation of civil rights is not tolerable, be it sex, orientation, color, religious preferences, or supporting the second amendment.
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Spacemanvic;107193 Wrote:
heili;107186 Wrote:This has absolutely fuck-all to do with churches. It has to do with whether or not legally married same-sex couples get the same federal government benefits and protections as opposite-sex couples.

'Cause the Fed has such a great reputation of keeping it's nose out of things? This is their entry into the tent, just watch..

Their entry into the tent was when they made marriage a legal institution in the first place. Once they did that, it isn't right to say that only people like you are allowed in the tent. This is a small step toward getting us back to the nation our forefathers created. Where all men are created equal and the government doesn't legislate religion. If you want to live out Biblical law, go ahead. If you want to tell me I need to follow your religion's laws, we might as well be in Lybia.
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heili;107190 Wrote:Before you get all upset about your church being forced to perform same-sex weddings, you wait and see whether or not this bakery lawsuit has any effect whatsoever on this bakery. Then after that, maybe think about the difference between a bakery and a church.

Because right now, you're just going off in a panic over something nobody's even suggested.

I can assure you, as much as you'd like to think so I'm by no means in any kind of panic.

Still, the point remains that if a private entity can be sued under a discrimination law for denying a cake because the baker is exercising their religious freedom and choosing to deny the sale of a cake, and the lawsuit is deemed valid because the bakery is in the public sphere, than it stands to reason that a religious organization can be sued under the same law for denying a wedding or denying the use of a building which is also in the public sphere.

If the government is able to force restaurants and bars to become non-smoking because some people who wish to eat/drink there do not like smoking or enjoy being around cigarette smoke, then the government can also (eventually) force a church to do something that it doesn't want to do. Especially if you commit the horror of making someone else 'feel bad'.
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TheWolff;107201 Wrote:This is a small step toward getting us back to the nation our forefathers created.

Say what you will, but this particular statement is false. Our forefathers considered gayness to be sodomy and prosecuted it as a crime....and in some cases, a capital crime. Do the research.

Your elected officials can make the modern day America to be as you like it, and such goes the way of history. But leave our forefathers out of it.
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