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SD NRA Member: “Nugent has got to go.”
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gascolator;152175 Wrote:
Lkttomasz;152173 Wrote:Why do we have to be so PC all the time?

You, along with others who cite Free Speech[tm] miss the point.

Nuge is free to run his mouth as he pleases.

But an organization is also free, indeed has the obligation to look at the effect its leaders' and spokespersons' antics have on its objectives and to make adjustments accordingly.

So if Nuge is becoming an embarrassment and a PR problem, he should be invited to take a lower profile in the NRA. This isn't to punish him, nor to control what he says. Indeed, if anything, it frees him to be even more outlandish. Rather, it's to preserve the image and standing of the organization.

That's critical to a lobbying organization.

The only way for him to take a "lower" position in the NRA, and the only thing that would appease those who already hate the NRA, would be to kick him out.

Nugent supports the NRA, and gun rights. The outlandish things he says are not said while he is acting in the capacity of an NRA spokesman.

Democrats--the ones who chiefly oppose him and the NRA--can separate Obama from Rev Wright and Bill Ayers, and can even separate Bill Ayers from the terrorist group he founded, so why can't they separate Ted Nugent from the overall message of NRA?

Oh yeah...they don't want to.
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Camper;152176 Wrote:The only way for him to take a "lower" position in the NRA, and the only thing that would appease those who already hate the NRA, would be to kick him out.

No. From the article:

Nugent, an often-offensive sometime rock star, is a member of the NRA governing board.

You can be a member of the NRA without being on the governing board, right?

You can be a member of the NRA without being invited to serve in any capacity as a spokesman, right?

Camper;152176 Wrote:Nugent supports the NRA, and gun rights. The outlandish things he says are not said while he is acting in the capacity of an NRA spokesman.

Sorry, as a public figure you don't get to parse your world like that. You just don't. Tom Selleck has dignity. Charlton Heston had dignity. Nuge is a deliberately offensive clown.

Camper;152176 Wrote:Democrats--the ones who chiefly oppose him and the NRA--can separate Obama from Rev Wright and Bill Ayers, and can even separate Bill Ayers from the terrorist group he founded, so why can't they separate Ted Nugent from the overall message of NRA?

What you don't get is that what people should do and think is far removed from what they actually do and think. It's PR 101. Put a raging asshole up as one of your front-men and people will conclude that your organization consists of raging assholes.

Nuge isn't entitled to act like a jerk and then claim to represent me and the money I send to the NRA to defend the 2nd Amendment AND to provide sound firearms education.

Don't take away his copy of American Rifleman.

But don't stick him out there as representative of a firearm owner role model.

That's just counter-productive.
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How many of you bitching voted in the board of director elections? The Nuge got the second highest number of votes behind Tom Selleck.
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#14
I don't want him speaking for me. Hence, I cancelled my NRA membership.

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As mentioned before, I have met him in person and he is even a bigger dickhead then he appears in his idiotic rants.
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csmith;152120 Wrote:I for one would take the NRA a bit more serious if they got rid of Nugent.

I've been hoping that someday Nugent accidentally shoots himself fatally and rids us all of a stereotype we don't need.

It's worth the 1.5 weeks of liberal laughter and the Gawker articles that will surely follow.
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Camper;152128 Wrote:I always love how any group right of center is expected to shed itself of anyone that is considered controversial, but everyone left of center is embraced by that establishment no matter how far off the reservation or how obvious a lunatic they are.

You don't see the left putting Al Gore up for president anymore do ya?

Or the wife-cheater from SC who's was sleeping around on her while she was dying of cancer and walked off his governor's job for a while.

Jesse had his limelight as a nominee for Prez back in 1988. That was a barrel of laughter even during the DNC Convention when Ann Richards was trying to pump up the crowd with him.

The left has no shortage of loons they try to keep safely away from top jobs b/c they know it will cripple them in a mid-term election. And there's some serious single-issue crazies in the left we all know and love. Remember what happened with ACORN? Lefties learned from that major malfunction and they've done a lot of work to polish and pretty themselves up. Right single-issue groups have tended to not do that as much.


And really, the NRA shouldn't really be about right/left politics, although it's the Right who is willing to go to bat for us most of the time.


I understand where you're coming from, but the criticism of Nugent is justified. I'm not going to sit around and lie my ass off to defend that guy. Think of all the people who AREN'T supporting us because they've been exposed to Nugent's asshattery and don't want to have anything to do with us?

There's a lot of people with zero exposure to firearms at all and they are being targeted by the grabber groups to keep as many of them away from us as possible. And by painting us as all loons, and with Nugent having the NRA Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, for a lot of folks that makes it an easy decision to make which side seems sane and which doesn't.


That hurts us a lot, because our 2nd Amendment right heavily relies on popular support to prevent the grabber's ultimate goal: Repeal.
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ArcticSplash;152227 Wrote:I understand where you're coming from, but the criticism of Nugent is justified. I'm not going to sit around and lie my ass off to defend that guy. Think of all the people who AREN'T supporting us because they've been exposed to Nugent's asshattery and don't want to have anything to do with us?

I've really got no skin in the Nugent game. I don't care for his music and his linguistic style is that of someone who takes the longest possible path to say something basic because his choice of words are unconventional at best.

As far as those who aren't supporting the NRA, I doubt that Nugent is a deciding factor. No doubt there are some who Nugent truly is the reason, but for most who may blame him as the primary cause as to why they won't join I'm certain that there is other issues at play and Nugent is a convenient example.

In fact, I'm sure those people are the same who hate the Republican Party because of Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz, and say they could never take the party seriously because of them, but when you look at their history they have as much chance of ever voting Republican as Walt Disney's frozen body strutting out into Magic Kingdom.

I've met quite a few people who are anti-NRA and it has nothing to do with Nugent, but that the NRA supports "assault rifles nobody needs for hunting" and "they don't want background checks" or something along those lines.

Quote:There's a lot of people with zero exposure to firearms at all and they are being targeted by the grabber groups to keep as many of them away from us as possible. And by painting us as all loons, and with Nugent having the NRA Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, for a lot of folks that makes it an easy decision to make which side seems sane and which doesn't.

I've not seen a single solitary ad or campaign that revolves around Ted Nugent. And really, the anti-gun lobby is going to paint the visible man supporting the NRA a loon no matter what.

As Gascolator said, Charleton Heston had dignity. They painted him a bigger loon than they ever did Nugent. Sure, you could argue Nugent does it himself, but that means that they're not bothering with him because nobody really cares about Nugent.

Quote:That hurts us a lot, because our 2nd Amendment right heavily relies on popular support to prevent the grabber's ultimate goal: Repeal.

Popular support is important, but even more important is someone whose vocal about defending the right and isn't afraid to do so at the expense of their reputation. Again, I'm really not a fan of Ted Nugent--he reminds me of that one relative you put up with some bullshit from because he likes a lot of the stuff you do, and tells your grand parents to back off when they are criticizing how you live your life and what you like to do for fun.

The anti-gun crowd doesn't want someone like Ted Nugent who will take the argument to them and tell them to "shove their bullshit back up their own asses" because they prefer someone who will "feel bad" if they're not liked.

And as I've been saying, the comments Ted makes--while not something I would say--are generally the conservative version of what the left says about the right all day, every day.

Should he remain a member of the NRA board? Probably not, but that still doesn't change that democrats excuse their people for far worse, but conservatives and conservative groups get away with none of it and "moderates" demand that only the right side change, and then go with the left side anyway.
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(08-20-2014, 03:49 PM)Yosemitesam Wrote: How many of you bitching voted in the board of director elections? The Nuge got the second highest number of votes behind Tom Selleck.

That's more than likely due to Tom Selleck and Ted Nugent being the most popular pro gun names. What would happen if Beyoncé suddenly became a 2A supporter? More than likely, the Nuge would get pushed down another notch on the popularity list.

Point being, we Americans, as a whole, get exactly what we deserve. We don't select leaders based on morality, intelligence, qualifications for the position, etc... Like our elected officials, we choose them like contestants for American Idol. Who looks the best, speaks the best, is most popular... is seemingly more important. It's just like we're all still locked in highschool filling out the ballot for homecoming queen.
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I like how the NRA has a spokesman who was busted for poaching. Not once, but multiple times. That's some responsible gun ownership, right thurr. And yeah, the "subhuman" references were little more than thinly-veiled bigotry, which I was honestly surprised by. I always considered Nugent a loonybird retard, a loudmouth kook, but never as a bigot.

So, a questionably bigoted loudmouth guntard, who has publicly set poor examples for gun ownership by violating hunting laws. You know why I think the NRA is dumb? Because none of this is new; Nugent has ALWAYS been a fucking idiot, but's taken them this long to catch on, or at least acknowledge it.

You know who I'd like to be a spokesman for them? James Earl Jones. Angelina Jolie. James Caan. Anybody but Nugent. For fuck's sake.
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