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Seizing property not used in a crime
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Domestic dispute at Warwick Township home leads to police standoff, arrest

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local...rrest.html

Quote:Gutshall eventually left the home after officers reached him by telephone, police said. He walked onto the front lawn, where officers placed him on the ground and handcuffed him.

Officers found a loaded .357-caliber Magnum pistol and a folding knife in Gutshall's front pants pocket, police said.

They seized those weapons and more than a dozen firearms, including shotguns, rifles and handguns, from his home, Northern Regional police Chief David Steffen said. No one was injured.

Police are uncertain about what started the domestic dispute, Steffen said.

I find this interesting. They arrested him outside his home and seized a revolver and a knife on his person. Then proceeded to seize all the firearms in the home that, IMO, weren't used in any crime whatsoever. Did they seize the kitchen knives, or a crowbar in the garage? Nope, just the firearms. Now the family that's remaining in the home is defenseless and their defenseless condition has been broadcast to the world.
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Happens all the time. If i'm not mistaken, it happened here in upper darby last year or so. Some guy got caught doing something wrong so the man went to his house and stole all of his guns.
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It's a domestic dispute, isn't there some rule or something that if your wife calls you up because you're threatening her the guns get pulled out of the house so you don't have access to them?

Besides, he made threats to his wife, kids, AND the police...sounds like taking them wasn't entirely unreasonable to me, especially when you factor in THOSE guns weren't used in a crime, but another one was.

It's not like he was pulled over for speeding so they confiscated all his guns because he also had an overdue library book or something.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Camper;27878 Wrote:It's a domestic dispute, isn't there some rule or something that if your wife calls you up because you're threatening her the guns get pulled out of the house so you don't have access to them?

Besides, he made threats to his wife, kids, AND the police...sounds like taking them wasn't entirely unreasonable to me, especially when you factor in THOSE guns weren't used in a crime, but another one was.

It's not like he was pulled over for speeding so they confiscated all his guns because he also had an overdue library book or something.

Gadsden_clr If they took all of the guns from my house,they would be stealing alot of guns that are my wifes.
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Yosemitesam;27881 Wrote:
Camper;27878 Wrote:It's a domestic dispute, isn't there some rule or something that if your wife calls you up because you're threatening her the guns get pulled out of the house so you don't have access to them?

Besides, he made threats to his wife, kids, AND the police...sounds like taking them wasn't entirely unreasonable to me, especially when you factor in THOSE guns weren't used in a crime, but another one was.

It's not like he was pulled over for speeding so they confiscated all his guns because he also had an overdue library book or something.

Gadsden_clr If they took all of the guns from my house,they would be stealing alot of guns that are my wifes.

We don't know if they took ALL the guns, maybe they just took his?

Or maybe his wife doesn't use them and didn't want them?

I do not doubt that there are many wives who could give a crap less if ALL the guns were taken, because they never have, and never will fire them.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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#6
Do you think the police confiscated all the tools in the garage in this case?

http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna-val...index.html
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#7
Depending on the threat, "I'm going to shoot all of you and any police that show up." all the guns could be considered part of a terroristic threat. Especially if, in making the threat, he's removing guns from the gun safe in furtherance of his threat.
He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting "All the Gods are bastards."
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unclejumbo;27919 Wrote:Depending on the threat, "I'm going to shoot all of you and any police that show up." all the guns could be considered part of a terroristic threat. Especially if, in making the threat, he's removing guns from the gun safe in furtherance of his threat.

I do understand this point. However, I think this is one of those things where a common sense approach of what is allowable should be taken. Just because all of the firearms can be taken does not mean all of them should be taken.
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