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Pa.Bill;73621 Wrote:
Mr_Gixxer;73617 Wrote:Baltimore police chief Johnson is a fucking moron.

Gixxer -- He's from Baltimore his reasoning has changed from what he sees day after day. Once I made a wrong turn going north.
I went through Baltimore. I'll just say, you, me, anyone would never want to live there.

Oh I know, I used to live in Frederick. Maryland in general is fucked up with the exception of the northwest areas like sharpsburg and boonesboro.
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Mr_Gixxer;73595 Wrote:Thanks for the link and the heads up! Im usually on top of these things, glad someone picked it up when I missed it. Missed the first hour though, watching now......

No problem. As many people as possible need to see the BS and lies.

I got to watch the first hour, then had to step away for an issue, but hit record, so now I'm back and almost 2 hours behind. But it's back on now.

The guys at work love me. Tongue

Actually, I have put on as many of these state and federal firearms related hearings as possible, when work permits. The others guys usually groan for a while, but then start realizing what's going on, and start asking me questions.
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kadar;73612 Wrote:I was waiting for former Louisiana State Senator Dudley J. LeBlanc to show up with his caravan.

Hello kadar -- I don't know Dudley. Can't you tell us about him? and
'caravan'?
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This is different then I expected. I know its far from over, but
I think we are sitting pretty good.
Now- don't all jump at once but the hearing, peopole, committee
'They seem to be sensible' most anyway.
That is a real surprise!!

I left NY years ago and move to Pa., in part for the gun laws.
Do you know how up set I was with Bloomberg and his investigsation
of gun shows, not only here but all over. I felt he was fallowing me and as Cuomo to help, but thats another story.
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Sure we can sit a little easier at this time but two things we should still be worried about are how the mental health aspects are going to be handled and the disaster a requirement for universal background checks will create.

I guarantee the mental health aspect will only create a system of pre-crime similar to a "minority report" scenario. Is there a problem with the way things are done now? Sure. But be careful what you wish for, this could turn bad VERY easily. First and foremost, a stricter restriction imposed on gun ownership will only keep people from talking about feelings and emotions they may have due to an incident they have experienced in fear of being labeled as "crazy" and or a risk to society. An example I have used which is relevant to my field of expertise is firefighters and first responders who have witnessed horrific accidents and emergencies. PISD were designed to be a platform for these people like myself to talk about feelings and emotions and to help find some kind of understanding. If the mental health issue is pushed in a way they want it anyone who says they are depressed because they saw firsthand a child's life taken due to a horrific accident or fire you will now be put on a national "no fly list" so to speak. These people will instead feel compelled to bottle up emotions and feelings and it doesn't take a psychology degree to understand how dangerous that can be.

On the issue of universal background checks, I think it will crush the system. Look at the wait times we have now. Look at the mistakes PICS has currently and the wait times for appeals. Requiring background checks for every purchase WILL NOT be logistically possible.
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If they are going to insist on universal background checks and there's no way we can stop it, the least we can do is demand they add more people to process and handle the calls. ATF finally caved and doubled the number of NFA processers recently. They went from 9 examiners to 18 with an expanded staff of assistants.
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Warpt762x39;73681 Wrote:If they are going to insist on universal background checks and there's no way we can stop it, the least we can do is demand they add more people to process and handle the calls. ATF finally caved and doubled the number of NFA processers recently. They went from 9 examiners to 18 with an expanded staff of assistants.

If this is inevitable I think the only way to streamline the process would be to consider a system where you can take a background check and show a card that you are legal. Similar to the way people show their LTCF when doing private sales now. Maybe have the option to have a background check done when you renew your drivers license and have an identifying mark or "gun endorsement" marked on the license every time you renew. Although this won't be foolproof in the way of new convictions during the time in between renewals but it will be a way that will be hard to counterfeit, would only require a one time fee upon renewals instead of a fee every time you make a purchase and would still deter criminals from purchasing guns. Doesn't have to be included with a drivers license but it should serve as an example. With a system like this you still have private sales, you still have gun shows and you don't have the wait times or logistical problems associated with the current outdated phone in system.
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Mr_Gixxer;73690 Wrote:
Warpt762x39;73681 Wrote:If they are going to insist on universal background checks and there's no way we can stop it, the least we can do is demand they add more people to process and handle the calls. ATF finally caved and doubled the number of NFA processers recently. They went from 9 examiners to 18 with an expanded staff of assistants.

If this is inevitable I think the only way to streamline the process would be to consider a system where you can take a background check and show a card that you are legal. Similar to the way people show their LTCF when doing private sales now. Maybe have the option to have a background check done when you renew your drivers license and have an identifying mark or "gun endorsement" marked on the license every time you renew. Although this won't be foolproof in the way of new convictions during the time in between renewals but it will be a way that will be hard to counterfeit, would only require a one time fee upon renewals instead of a fee every time you make a purchase and would still deter criminals from purchasing guns. Doesn't have to be included with a drivers license but it should serve as an example. With a system like this you still have private sales, you still have gun shows and you don't have the wait times or logistical problems associated with the current outdated phone in system.

Yeah, NOT! I don't want any governmental agency being able to register me as a gun owner. None of their damn business. I'll stay with the run em as needed plan. Your plan is defacto registration.
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billamj;73692 Wrote:
Mr_Gixxer;73690 Wrote:If this is inevitable I think the only way to streamline the process would be to consider a system where you can take a background check and show a card that you are legal. Similar to the way people show their LTCF when doing private sales now. Maybe have the option to have a background check done when you renew your drivers license and have an identifying mark or "gun endorsement" marked on the license every time you renew. Although this won't be foolproof in the way of new convictions during the time in between renewals but it will be a way that will be hard to counterfeit, would only require a one time fee upon renewals instead of a fee every time you make a purchase and would still deter criminals from purchasing guns. Doesn't have to be included with a drivers license but it should serve as an example. With a system like this you still have private sales, you still have gun shows and you don't have the wait times or logistical problems associated with the current outdated phone in system.

Yeah, NOT! I don't want any governmental agency being able to register me as a gun owner. None of their damn business. I'll stay with the run em as needed plan.

Although I agree with the sentiment, you are already a "registered gun owner" if you ever had a background check done at an FFL. They will soon have all your purchase history and background check information soon in a national database and will soon know your mental health history. Just you posting on a gun forum is suspicion enough to be a gun owner so I don't get the panic.
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Mr_Gixxer;73695 Wrote:
billamj;73692 Wrote:Yeah, NOT! I don't want any governmental agency being able to register me as a gun owner. None of their damn business. I'll stay with the run em as needed plan.

Although I agree with the sentiment, you are already a "registered gun owner" if you ever had a background check done at an FFL. They will soon have all your purchase history and background check information soon in a national database and will soon know your mental health history. Just you posting on a gun forum is suspicion enough to be a gun owner so I don't get the panic.
It's none of their damn business what legal product I own. No panic, just a simple straight forward statement of fact.
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