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Sending a Message to Springfield Mall RE: Code of Conduct
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I sent this message to Springfield Mall, via their contact form from their website.

Quote:Good morning,

I hope this message finds you well. I am sending you this note to ask a question about the Code of Conduct, number 8. "The carrying of any weapon, other than by an authorized law enforcement or security
officer, is not permitted."

Other malls have this same stipulation and attempt to create what are known as "Gun Free Zones," in which people are not "permitted" to responsibly carry their legally owned firearms as they might when they are elsewhere for the purpose of self-defense, or who may have a license from the state of Pennsylvania to do so.

I personally find this policy to be confusing, since those who would wish to do harm to shoppers or stores in the mall would not likely be concerned about obeying this kind of rule, and therefore the only people it has any effect on are those who are responsible and law-abiding shoppers who merely wish to buy things for their families. I would be one of the latter, while Sylvia Seegrist would be a member of the former. As I am sure you're aware, Sylvia was not very concerned about what the "rules" were at the time.

I send this message to you in the hopes that you will take some time to have a longer look at the policy that forbids people from carrying firearms in your mall. In light of the tragic events in Aurora, CO and Newtown, CT, we know that attempting to create a "weapons free environment" only creates a false sense of security for those who actually believe that criminals pay attention to signs and Codes of Conduct. People such as myself, however, who safely and responsibly exercise their right to defend themselves and their families, are good, morally sound people who simply wish to be able to shop without fearing being removed from the mall by a security force that would have significantly less ability to stop an active shooter than an armed civilian would, as was very recently the case in a Clackamas Town Center mall in Oregon. In that instance, a man who was legally armed was able to stop an active shooter from continuing his killing spree, without even firing his weapon, simply by showing the criminal that he was armed and ready to stop the threat.

I live less than two miles from the Springfield Mall, in Media. I like your mall very much and would like to continue shopping there, however, I am afraid that I will have to take my money elsewhere if serious consideration is not given to this matter. Forcing good people to check their ability to defend themselves and others at the door only serves to create a higher possibility that someone may be injured in the event of an incident like those we see on the news every few weeks, because when seconds count, the police are fifteen minutes away.

Please do not hesitate to contact me regarding this matter. My phone number is (xxx) xxx-xxxx, and my email should be enclosed in this message. I would love an opportunity to sit down and discuss this with someone in person, should that be a possibility.

Thank you, and have a wonderful holiday season,

Mark

I will update if I hear back.
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#2
Very good letter. Well written and respectful. Please keep us posted.
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ViperGTS19801;57371 Wrote:I sent this message to Springfield Mall, via their contact form from their website.

Quote:Good morning,

I hope this message finds you well. I am sending you this note to ask a question about the Code of Conduct, number 8. "The carrying of any weapon, other than by an authorized law enforcement or security
officer, is not permitted."

Other malls have this same stipulation and attempt to create what are known as "Gun Free Zones," in which people are not "permitted" to responsibly carry their legally owned firearms as they might when they are elsewhere for the purpose of self-defense, or who may have a license from the state of Pennsylvania to do so.

I personally find this policy to be confusing, since those who would wish to do harm to shoppers or stores in the mall would not likely be concerned about obeying this kind of rule, and therefore the only people it has any effect on are those who are responsible and law-abiding shoppers who merely wish to buy things for their families. I would be one of the latter, while Sylvia Seegrist would be a member of the former. As I am sure you're aware, Sylvia was not very concerned about what the "rules" were at the time.

I send this message to you in the hopes that you will take some time to have a longer look at the policy that forbids people from carrying firearms in your mall. In light of the tragic events in Aurora, CO and Newtown, CT, we know that attempting to create a "weapons free environment" only creates a false sense of security for those who actually believe that criminals pay attention to signs and Codes of Conduct. People such as myself, however, who safely and responsibly exercise their right to defend themselves and their families, are good, morally sound people who simply wish to be able to shop without fearing being removed from the mall by a security force that would have significantly less ability to stop an active shooter than an armed civilian would, as was very recently the case in a Clackamas Town Center mall in Oregon. In that instance, a man who was legally armed was able to stop an active shooter from continuing his killing spree, without even firing his weapon, simply by showing the criminal that he was armed and ready to stop the threat.

I live less than two miles from the Springfield Mall, in Media. I like your mall very much and would like to continue shopping there, however, I am afraid that I will have to take my money elsewhere if serious consideration is not given to this matter. Forcing good people to check their ability to defend themselves and others at the door only serves to create a higher possibility that someone may be injured in the event of an incident like those we see on the news every few weeks, because when seconds count, the police are fifteen minutes away.

Please do not hesitate to contact me regarding this matter. My phone number is (xxx) xxx-xxxx, and my email should be enclosed in this message. I would love an opportunity to sit down and discuss this with someone in person, should that be a possibility.

Thank you, and have a wonderful holiday season,

Mark

I will update if I hear back.

Keep up the good work.
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#4
Maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but I've never seen any "no gun" signs at entrances to the Springfield mall. Am I supposed to check every company's website before I enter their premises? What if I don't own a computer? I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that a policy outlined on a website carries the same weight as a sign at the point of entry as far as violating private property rights is concerned.

Anyone think otherwise based on case law or other evidence? I hope your letter doesn't create the unintended consequence of motivating the management to post signs as I may well choose to remain ignorant when entering!
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#5
The last time I went into the Lebanon Valley Mall I looked for signage and found it at the bottoms of the doors, small vinyl decals just a few inches above the sidewalk.
Might that be just to cover their asses while not drawing too much attention from folks like us who take an interest in that sort of thing? Shrug
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#6
The mall near me has two main entrances directly from the parking lot and two more (one at each end) through the anchor stores. I checked for signs and oddly enough there is one. On the door on the backside of the mall that employees use to bring garbage to the dumpster. I know their policy (I worked in a store there a few years ago) is no weapons allowed but you wouldn't know it from the signage lol
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#7
Dear Valued Consumer:

Fuck your safety. We are only interested in consumerism. Besides, guns are bad, mmmkay? Enjoy your holiday season, and go fuck yourself.

Sincerely, The Management
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#8
May they join the long list at dead malls.com
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ArcticSplash;58042 Wrote:May they join the long list at dead malls.com

If they don't sell guns and ammo, not too many reasons to shop there, anyway. Wink
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Warpt762x39;58023 Wrote:The mall near me has two main entrances directly from the parking lot and two more (one at each end) through the anchor stores. I checked for signs and oddly enough there is one. On the door on the backside of the mall that employees use to bring garbage to the dumpster. I know their policy (I worked in a store there a few years ago) is no weapons allowed but you wouldn't know it from the signage lol

My local Post Office is like that. You enter go up a few steps, to the left are the PO Boxes, to the right is the main lobby. If you use the PO Boxes you'd never see the sign, it's behind a wall that separates the few steps from the main lobby, you can't see the sign until you are leaving the lobby.
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