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SEPTA's Top Cop Seems to Know All the Gun Rules
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If you don't live in the area, you might enjoy this bio of the Chief of Police of SEPTA's Transit Police.
http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-02/ne...ce-cruiser

He's notorious here locally on Twitter because he hashtags #cheesesandwhich when he reports an arrest [when you're in custody, the food is literally a cheese sandwich and two cups of water].

Yesterday he reported a man-with-gun arrest on the EL, a thug kid had pulled out a pistol to show his friends and another passenger switched train cars and hit the emergency call button to report it. The driver of the train pulled to the next station but refused to open the doors, which is standard procedure.

Transit police arrived, verified no valid gun permit, and arrested for VUFA.

He explained precisely what the rules are for carrying in PA. When you are on SEPTA if you are inside Philadelphia, you must have a LTCF. If you are outside Philadelphia it is vehicle-carry and depends if you are on the vehicle [inside a transit station outside Philadelphia but not on board a vehicle, then no]. Open carry is permitted, but highly not-recommended. Concealed carry perfectly fine.

He totally understands why some people would want to carry. While SEPTA trains and platforms are quite safe, it's a different story if you're outside alone at night at a lonely bus stop in the hood.


Since he's so approachable, should ever an incident crop up that looks like police mooking (trying to intimidate a lawful carrier), he's willing to engage and take corrective action.


Breath of fresh air, this one. On top of that he has 3 masters degrees and a doctorate. Very unusual for a cop.


I figured we could use a short break from the post-after-post of "police gone wild". Some police are actually smart and are human beings and didn't join the force so they could play gestapo, y'know.
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He was also the police chief of Upper Moreland. He wanted cops to check to see if cars were unlocked, and if they were, he wanted to be able to write them a ticket.
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Philadelphia Patriot;136212 Wrote:He was also the police chief of Upper Moreland. He wanted cops to check to see if cars were unlocked, and if they were, he wanted to be able to write them a ticket.

Considering how much time Theft from Auto reports are and it sucks up time and resources plus how difficult it is to catch the culprits when hours go by if not a whole day before the theft is discovered so all you might have is a fingerprint (contrary to popular belief... many local PDs don't have extensive fingerprint systems including PPD), doesn't seem like a bad idea.

Theft from Auto is like nearly 2/3 of all the incident reports in just Fishtown. When we've had bad rashes of it we put the "Stop being a dumbass, take the GPS off your dash" flyers on people's windshields.
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Yea we've known about the Chief for a while now, one of a few threads ....From June of 2013:

Quote:From PAFOA.org where a discussion of open carry on SEPTA was going on, a person representing themselves as the Chief of the Transit Police reports:


http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-144/22...train.html

GlockLover;2412522 Wrote:Hopefully, this will resolve the swirl of confusion and angst regarding the carrying of firearms on SEPTA vehicles and properties.

In decades past, the police have been accustomed to handling persons carrying firearms as a threat to public safety. Recently, the tide has turned and the police have become educated on the rights afforded by the 2nd Amendment. This has created a need to change operational procedures and more importantly, the way a police officer thinks when s/he sees a person armed with a gun.

At SEPTA, a negative contact with a citizen lawfully carrying a firearm prompted the training of every police supervisor on the law as it pertains to open carry in PA. Each supervisor was then required to return to his/her unit and train the officers with the same material.

Last Saturday, a protest occurred in downtown Philadelphia during which approximately 100 citizens lawfully displayed their firearms. I worked that day to verify that our officers were aware of the guidelines that had been adopted by the Transit Police Department. There were contacts between the Transit Police and citizens carrying firearms which were as a result of calls to 911 for a person carrying a gun. The stops occurred exactly as they were expected to with the officer asking for the citizen's concealed carry permit and documenting the investigatory stop. None of the persons stopped by the Transit Police complained about the way that they were approached or investigated.

Since Saturday, I have been made aware of a call to SEPTA's customer service inquiring about the Authority's regulations regarding the carrying of firearms on SEPTA property. The caller spoke to a SEPTA employee who did not know if a regulation existed regarding firearms on the property. That employee contacted a civilian Transit Police dispatcher who recommended that the caller contact L&I. This was bad guidance on the part of the dispatcher and a failure on my part to ensure that our civilian staff receive the same training as the police officers. Little did I think that our civilians would somehow become involved in the open carry issue.

Each dispatcher has been scheduled for training to educate them on this issue. In the meantime, I can completely clear up whether a citizen can carry a firearm on SEPTA property. At this time, there is no SEPTA regulation prohibiting non-employees from carrying a firearm on the property or vehicles as long as the State law is being followed. A citizen, who can lawfully possess a firearm, can open carry that firearm on any of the SEPTA properties or vehicles within the borders of Philadelphia if that person possesses a concealed carry permit. Outside of Philadelphia, a citizen who can lawfully possess a firearm only needs a concealed carry permit to carry a firearm on SEPTA vehicles. No permit is necessary to open carry on a SEPTA property outside of Philadelphia.

If anyone has any further questions or problems with the Transit Police, please feel free to email me. I am committed to ensuring that our department adheres to the provisions of the 2nd Amendment.

Chief Thomas Nestel
SEPTA Transit Police Department
tnestel@septa.org
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