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Seriously, can the Republic survive?
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I must be a fool. I honestly felt that the majority of Americans are still center to center-right and would reject higher taxes, debt and ever-expanding government at the expense of individual rights. It seems I'm wrong and the balance has finally tipped in favor of a European-style high tax, big government model. Is it really true that the majority of Americans no longer believe in the Constitution and the founding principles of limited government?

Or did we not put-up a candidate who was conservative enough? Maybe because Romney looked almost uncomfortable espousing conservative values, that even though the message was right, the messenger was wrong. I don't fucking know. Up is down, down is up.

If the former, the grand American experiment is ultimately a failure. Liberty is not the preferred state for humanity, but rather authoritarian rule in its various forms is the natural order. I guess human kind are ultimately cowards and too fucking lazy to embrace the hard work freedom requires. Fucking sad.
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#2
I think most americans are ignorant of the U.S. Constitution. So many people don't even understand the balance of power the country is supposed to have. I have noticed a significant portion of those who support the Liberal agenda either fit in this category or believe that the CotUS is a "living" document.

For those that understand the CotUS, I think this was truly an election of the lesser of evils. Either elect a poor candidate or vote for someone unlikely to be elected. Neither option is good.

Unfortunately, I fear that those that understand and want to follow the CotUS are in the minority.
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#3
November 6, 2012 was one more nail in the coffin of this once great Republic. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
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#4
In 4 years 60% will be getting a .gov check. What you saw last night was voters voting for simply that. They don't give a Raddatz about anything else.
There is no going back. This was a watershed day.
We already had a train wreck, we will now have a
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#5
I think it is several things:

1) As someone else pointed out, most Americans are not only ignorant of what is in the constitution, many/most do not even care. I can't count the number of people I know that have said things like "but Im not a gun owner, I don't care what Obama does with guns".

2) For years, the left has waged a highly successful campaign demonizing high wage earners and both large and small business owners.

3) Obama has capitalized on number 2 above by promising to "even the playing field" through higher taxes (by making sure everyone "pays their fair share") and promises of expanded social programs.

4) The Republican party put up a fairly weak candidate. Even though I thought at times Romney really shined, his lack of consistency on things failed to sway enough independent voters and 3rd party candidates.

5) MSM. In large part I blame MSM for Obama winning. CNN and MSNBC flat out ignored many negative stories regarding this administration (benghazi, F&F), and did their best to portray Romney as negatively as possible. The vast majority of sheeple who are unable to think for themselves basically had their decision made for them by these news outlets ignoring negative stories about Obama and by largely portraying Romney in a negative light.
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#6
It's over. We obviously passed the tipping point. I dont know how many times ive heard I voted for Obama because he wants to help people, he cares about womens rights, blah blah blah. It's like all of the Obama supporters came out of the woodwork last night after the results were in.
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#7
Takers won. It's the only reason D's want welfare, food stamps, amnesty etc. they only want the power.
You start with the 47% and you only have to pickoff another 3.5%. 2016 the takers will be even higher. O will assure that.

Who is John Galt?
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#8
It is sad to see a once great country fall due to ignorance, but see it blamed on demographics!
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Gman106;37726 Wrote:I must be a fool. I honestly felt that the majority of Americans are still center to center-right and would reject higher taxes, debt and ever-expanding government at the expense of individual rights. It seems I'm wrong and the balance has finally tipped in favor of a European-style high tax, big government model. Is it really true that the majority of Americans no longer believe in the Constitution and the founding principles of limited government?

Or did we not put-up a candidate who was conservative enough? Maybe because Romney looked almost uncomfortable espousing conservative values, that even though the message was right, the messenger was wrong. I don't fucking know. Up is down, down is up.

If the former, the grand American experiment is ultimately a failure. Liberty is not the preferred state for humanity, but rather authoritarian rule in its various forms is the natural order. I guess human kind are ultimately cowards and too fucking lazy to embrace the hard work freedom requires. Fucking sad.

It's been re-educated from the gene pool.
FUBAR

LET THE LAYOFFS BEGIN !!
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#10
The republic has been dead for a very long time. It's been running on inertia.
I’m not shocked in the least. I fully expected Obama to win. I fully expected most people that claim to hate Obama to vote for him anyway. Many of us have been saying it for a very long time. No one wants to suffer to change anything. Even if it means long term suffering for a few dollars more in the meantime. Seriously how many people do any of us know that really want to fix this country? I don’t know anyone, except for myself. I could care less if the roads turned to dust and the bridges all fall into the rivers and we need to ride horses again. Whatever it takes to be truly free. That freedom will produce prosperity. The reset would have to be harsh, and would result in wide spread pain, but for the better of the republic. Instead we look to people like Romney that have no real ideas other than to promise this time it will be different. This time the dead end won’t be there. This time you can have your cake and eat it too.

We’ve been electing hope and change across the board my entire life. And that is exactly what we have gotten. Hope we can still eat tomorrow and so much change I can hardly recognize this country from even 20 years ago.
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