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Seriously, can the Republic survive?
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LifeInPa;38040 Wrote:This election was a key point in my adult life. I had a few experiences after high school where I can literally feel like something just broke in me, made me become more bitter and apathetic in general. Seeing the slight majority vote solid D for another 4 years even in light of their major fuck ups made me experience that heartache again.

I am glad I still live at home and don't have a family of my own as the pain would probably render me useless. What a sad day...

Think of how bitter you will be if you ever move out of mom's house and actually need to play grown up.

Gotta be honest guys, not sure if its a Internet gun forum thing but the level of pessimists crying is somewhere between funny and sad. Hopefully it's only short term and you guys finally take your skirts off and get back it getting it done. Real success comes for those who do despite the circumstances not because of them.

If you fail, even today, it's mostly your fault no matter how much you want to blame a "them".
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#22
TheWolff;37832 Wrote:I think in the upcoming 4 years, we'll see the rise of a number of militias. Discovery Channel's "Militia Rising" chronicles The Watchmen. I think the goal of the show is to make everyone with an AR or AK look like a lunatic incompetent wannabe soldier douche. I do like some of their ideas, I just hate everyone involved with it.

I'm not talking about taking on the government. No group on the ground is going to be much of a match for armor, artillery, and air strikes. But if you had 40 guys with guns in a pre-fortified location, you might stand a chance against the first wave of everyone running from the cities and wanting what you've prepared.

Also, you can recruit people with various skill sets, instead of us all going at it alone. If something happens to me, it'd be nice to have a group that could defend my family, or extract them in a SHTF scenario.

Pooling resources and preps would also be valuable. Keep a couple weeks worth of stuff at the house, but you won't have to worry about moving a ton of ammo and prepped food if your plan isn't to bug-in.

I think the Republic can survive, but it's going to get rough.

I don't know how old you are, so I'll try to avoid sounding like I'm talking down to you. If you were politically active during the early '90s, you might recall some of the changes that took place during that period. Starting around the time that Clinton took office, and into the Ruby Ridge and Waco tragedies, the militia movement heated up, culminating at Oklahoma City, with Timothy McVeigh.

There were lots of rednecks in Texas that were stockpiling ammo and MREs, and "fortifying", and even building retreats. I was a member of the Texas Constitutional Militia. They were nuts, but they taught me to open my eyes, and pay attention. There is good, useful information passed around within militia groups, but not all of it will help you.

Randy Weaver and the Branch Davidians (sounds like a ska band, right?) proved that you won't be able to defend yourself against the BATF, FBI, and military forces. They'll do whatever it takes to bring you down, including covering their butts in court, afterward. They'll shoot your wife, while she's unarmed, they'll shoot your son and your dog, and they'll burn you out and flatten your home with tanks. You won't win.

That's not to say that you shouldn't prepare, but it is to say that you should be very careful about for what you prepare. Don't think you're going to convince the government to leave you alone, if they take an interest in you. They won't. Instead, don't give them a reason to take an interest in you, especially about anything to do with firearms or explosives. Stick to lawful transactions with people you trust, and don't tolerate any monkey business. If it doesn't feel right, don't do it. It could be a setup. Heck, it probably is.

We'll get through this. Maybe we'll even thrive under more austere conditions. It'll tighten our bellies and tone our limbs, and we'll be better fighters on the other side. We are, already, smarter, and we've got better communications and tools at our disposal than any rebel force ever had.

We can take this country back, without bloodshed.

Yes, we can.
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#23
I couldn't believe it. I honestly felt like surely we had enough people in this country with common sense to get out there and VOTE.

I think there were many problems...I do think we had a horrible Republican primary and it really took a lot of conservatives or independents out of the picture....people who liked Cain, or Paul, or Bachman may very well not have voted yesterday. That's fine, I hope they enjoy the President they elected by staying home. I do know that the media slaughtered the Republican candidates. We had several good ones in there, and the media, either by dirty tactics, negative tactics, or simply ignoring candidates were able to twist things around until everyone was so confused and so sick of it that they gave up. I know I lost a lot of my excitement for the election after Herman Cain went down, but I did of course vote yesterday.

The other problem is just what others have mentioned...people are voting for their continued benefits. And obviously MORE people in this country want welfare, food stamps, medicaid, Obamacare, and free phones than want freedom and normal health insurance and the ability to find a good job. Sad, isn't it. Thanks to the media and to public schools who have raised a whole generation of imbeciles, and thanks to the parents who let them.

Who cares about national security? As long as I get my EBT card refilled each month. Ambassador? What's an ambassador? Job? Why should I work? Slaves work. I ain't no slave. I deserve a house, a car, and a phone, free.

That, or probably a bunch of people said "Well Obama's not great but I hate Republicans so I'll just vote Obama." Or "Romney is white....I ain't voting no white man in." Or "Romney isn't really conservative enough so I'm not voting."

NONE of it is logical nor is it helpful to America.

Sad day today. Its gonna be rough next year when the tax cuts expire (those horrible cuts by BUSH that everyone takes for granted!) and the REAL parts of Obamacare kick in that nobody talks about...and amnesty starts....and the terrorists are emboldened (or even empowered)....yikes.
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LifeInPa;38040 Wrote:This election was a key point in my adult life. I had a few experiences after high school where I can literally feel like something just broke in me, made me become more bitter and apathetic in general. Seeing the slight majority vote solid D for another 4 years even in light of their major fuck ups made me experience that heartache again.

I am glad I still live at home and don't have a family of my own as the pain would probably render me useless. What a sad day...

C'mon, you didn't die in the last four years. You can survive this.

Work on preparations, training, and political activity. Be ready for the next election in two years, and the next one in four.

So, you got a black eye; you're not beaten. We still have the House to slow-pedal anything ridiculous, and we have the best communication systems in the universe to be ready for whatever comes our way.

Don't despair; prepare!
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It is what it is.
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#26
The People are idiots and Santa Claus was running for election. It was like asking a bratty child whether he prefers a lax parent who lets him eat junk food all day or a strict parent who makes him eat vegetables. It is exactly as how Abraham Lincoln said it would be.
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LifeInPa;38040 Wrote:This election was a key point in my adult life. I had a few experiences after high school where I can literally feel like something just broke in me, made me become more bitter and apathetic in general. Seeing the slight majority vote solid D for another 4 years even in light of their major fuck ups made me experience that heartache again.

I am glad I still live at home and don't have a family of my own as the pain would probably render me useless. What a sad day...

My first election was Ford vs. Carter.

I was depressed for a month after Carter won Smile.

Just pick yourself up and get moving.

RugerGirl;38059 Wrote:NONE of it is logical nor is it helpful to America.

Most voters don't operate on logic. They operate on emotion.
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#28
I have a lot of family and friends who voted for Obama.

Reason were pretty much geared towards a single reason, though they may have been different for each person.

Women's Rights, Health Care (yes, a lot of them like the idea of National Health Care). Those seem to be the main reasons that kept coming up. His past record didn't matter. As long as he took care of these they way they wanted it taken care of.

OK, he is in. Now, lets see what the heck he can do. And hopefully it is a heck of lot more than he did the last time. Can anyone say Assault Weapon Ban?
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mtbkski;38151 Wrote:I have a lot of family and friends who voted for Obama.

Reason were pretty much geared towards a single reason, though they may have been different for each person.

Women's Rights, Health Care (yes, a lot of them like the idea of National Health Care). Those seem to be the main reasons that kept coming up. His past record didn't matter. As long as he took care of these they way they wanted it taken care of.

OK, he is in. Now, lets see what the heck he can do. And hopefully it is a heck of lot more than he did the last time. Can anyone say Assault Weapon Ban?

The problem is. Obama hasn't and isn't doing anything for Women's Rights. Health-care has become and will continue to become worse nationwide under Obama's healthcare mandate.
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Dave;38045 Wrote:
LifeInPa;38040 Wrote:This election was a key point in my adult life. I had a few experiences after high school where I can literally feel like something just broke in me, made me become more bitter and apathetic in general. Seeing the slight majority vote solid D for another 4 years even in light of their major fuck ups made me experience that heartache again.

I am glad I still live at home and don't have a family of my own as the pain would probably render me useless. What a sad day...

Think of how bitter you will be if you ever move out of mom's house and actually need to play grown up.

Gotta be honest guys, not sure if its a Internet gun forum thing but the level of pessimists crying is somewhere between funny and sad. Hopefully it's only short term and you guys finally take your skirts off and get back it getting it done. Real success comes for those who do despite the circumstances not because of them.

If you fail, even today, it's mostly your fault no matter how much you want to blame a "them".

I chose financial security over proving something to my peers. I work, pay my taxes and don't suck off the government teat unlike many individuals both young and old. I am pissed off with the happenings of the last 4 years so I am blowing off steam like most other members here. If you don't like it you're welcome to ignore my post, put me on your ignore list or hit the "Log Out" button found on the top right of your web page. Your choice.

kevindsingleton;38060 Wrote:
LifeInPa;38040 Wrote:This election was a key point in my adult life. I had a few experiences after high school where I can literally feel like something just broke in me, made me become more bitter and apathetic in general. Seeing the slight majority vote solid D for another 4 years even in light of their major fuck ups made me experience that heartache again.

I am glad I still live at home and don't have a family of my own as the pain would probably render me useless. What a sad day...

C'mon, you didn't die in the last four years. You can survive this.

Work on preparations, training, and political activity. Be ready for the next election in two years, and the next one in four.

So, you got a black eye; you're not beaten. We still have the House to slow-pedal anything ridiculous, and we have the best communication systems in the universe to be ready for whatever comes our way.

Don't despair; prepare!

MrPeanut;38146 Wrote:
LifeInPa;38040 Wrote:This election was a key point in my adult life. I had a few experiences after high school where I can literally feel like something just broke in me, made me become more bitter and apathetic in general. Seeing the slight majority vote solid D for another 4 years even in light of their major fuck ups made me experience that heartache again.

I am glad I still live at home and don't have a family of my own as the pain would probably render me useless. What a sad day...

My first election was Ford vs. Carter.

I was depressed for a month after Carter won Smile.

Just pick yourself up and get moving.

RugerGirl;38059 Wrote:NONE of it is logical nor is it helpful to America.

Most voters don't operate on logic. They operate on emotion.

Thanks guys, I am not quitting. I just view these happenings as a serious set back to our freedoms and prosperity. I am extremely concerned about the future of this nation and if the damage can be reversed at this point. I plan on getting more involved over the next 4 years though.
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