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Shooter detection system in schools
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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/11/11/m...=obnetwork

Quote:With students off for the Veterans Day holiday, a simulated school shooting at a Methuen grammar school on Tuesday showed what "active shooter" technology could do to help police catch a gunman if the horrible threat ever strikes as it has at other schools across the country.

In the live demonstration, the "gunman" entered the school armed with an assault rifle, opening fire with dummy rounds first in the school library then rampaging through hallways and classrooms. But he had only a few minutes to wreak havoc.

Smoke alarm-sized sensors installed in classrooms, hallways and other points throughout the building were activated by the sounds of gunfire, and police officers were immediately able to track his movements and quickly subdue him.

Waaaaaaait, wait, wait wait..... so....he "only has a few minutes" to kill off as many kids as possible? This is not an acceptable solution. The acceptable solution is to hire a GUARD (armed) or otherwise someone who can actually SEE someone coming in with a gun, and immobilize them BEFORE SHOTS ARE FIRED.

These people are all acting excited that only one or two classrooms get shot up before the cops are mobilized.....they must be a special kind of stupid.
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#2
How about the teachers recognize the threat and put a few pounds of lead in him? Let's cut those minutes down to seconds.
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#3
Its all about spending money making it look like something is being done so the bed wetters can feel good about it. None of it is about actually making a difference.

At my kids school they have an unarmed guard at the front door who sends people through metal detectors which are around the corner from the door. The one day I went in for an early pickup I walked through the door and didn't see anybody so I headed straight across the hallway to the office. I was at the office door when he approached me saying I needed to go through the metal detector.
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RugerGirl;156570 Wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/11/11/m...=obnetwork

Quote:With students off for the Veterans Day holiday, a simulated school shooting at a Methuen grammar school on Tuesday showed what "active shooter" technology could do to help police catch a gunman if the horrible threat ever strikes as it has at other schools across the country.

In the live demonstration, the "gunman" entered the school armed with an assault rifle, opening fire with dummy rounds first in the school library then rampaging through hallways and classrooms. But he had only a few minutes to wreak havoc.

Smoke alarm-sized sensors installed in classrooms, hallways and other points throughout the building were activated by the sounds of gunfire, and police officers were immediately able to track his movements and quickly subdue him.

Waaaaaaait, wait, wait wait..... so....he "only has a few minutes" to kill off as many kids as possible? This is not an acceptable solution. The acceptable solution is to hire a GUARD (armed) or otherwise someone who can actually SEE someone coming in with a gun, and immobilize them BEFORE SHOTS ARE FIRED.

These people are all acting excited that only one or two classrooms get shot up before the cops are mobilized.....they must be a special kind of stupid.


When I went to high scool there was aa guard. Not an armed guard but a guard. He would wander the halls. Now this school had about a dozen or more ways into it. So if this guard is on the other side of the campus and shooter appears on the oppiste side the from wherethe guard is mqny can be shot while the guard tries ti find out where the noise is..
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The chances of there actually being a shooting in the school are like nil. This system will certainly cost thousands to implement if not 10's of thousands. It seems to me that the school would glean much better value investing it somewhere else. If anything if they really wanted it to go into shooting prevention they could have a staff psychologist deal with kids before they go on a rampage and still the money would be more effectively utilized.
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Emoticon;156578 Wrote:The chances of there actually being a shooting in the school are like nil. This system will certainly cost thousands to implement if not 10's of thousands. It seems to me that the school would glean much better value investing it somewhere else. If anything if they really wanted it to go into shooting prevention they could have a staff psychologist deal with kids before they go on a rampage and still the money would be more effectively utilized.

Not to mention there's virtually no way to know if the system is functioning properly or not after a couple of years. Is the school going to spend the money afterwards to have someone walk through and see if it actually detects and tracks the way it's described? Doubt it, schools many times don't even maintain the surveillance systems they already have in place.

As it is, if there's a shooting in a school, it's going to get called in immediately anyway. A gun shot will echo through the cinderblock halls, no one is going to miss the sound of a gunshot. All this system would provide is a method to maybe track the shooter, but unless there's a way to access the the information from outside the building (a monitored system) the police aren't going to take the time to stop by the office and check the monitors.
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For less than $700, problem solved...

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streaker69;156579 Wrote:
Emoticon;156578 Wrote:The chances of there actually being a shooting in the school are like nil. This system will certainly cost thousands to implement if not 10's of thousands. It seems to me that the school would glean much better value investing it somewhere else. If anything if they really wanted it to go into shooting prevention they could have a staff psychologist deal with kids before they go on a rampage and still the money would be more effectively utilized.

Not to mention there's virtually no way to know if the system is functioning properly or not after a couple of years. Is the school going to spend the money afterwards to have someone walk through and see if it actually detects and tracks the way it's described? Doubt it, schools many times don't even maintain the surveillance systems they already have in place.

As it is, if there's a shooting in a school, it's going to get called in immediately anyway. A gun shot will echo through the cinderblock halls, no one is going to miss the sound of a gunshot. All this system would provide is a method to maybe track the shooter, but unless there's a way to access the the information from outside the building (a monitored system) the police aren't going to take the time to stop by the office and check the monitors.

Why wouldn't it be able to be tested?
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Normanvin;156600 Wrote:
streaker69;156579 Wrote:Not to mention there's virtually no way to know if the system is functioning properly or not after a couple of years. Is the school going to spend the money afterwards to have someone walk through and see if it actually detects and tracks the way it's described? Doubt it, schools many times don't even maintain the surveillance systems they already have in place.

As it is, if there's a shooting in a school, it's going to get called in immediately anyway. A gun shot will echo through the cinderblock halls, no one is going to miss the sound of a gunshot. All this system would provide is a method to maybe track the shooter, but unless there's a way to access the the information from outside the building (a monitored system) the police aren't going to take the time to stop by the office and check the monitors.

Why wouldn't it be able to be tested?

It will probably be able to undergo a self test, but I doubt the schools are going to spend the time and money after the novelty wears off to actually test to see if it's still detecting shots and tracking the way it's advertised.

I've been in lots of schools through the years, and many of them let maintenance on things such as this lapse because it's not seen as vital to the daily operations.

It'll also be interesting to see how well it works in not detecting false alarms. I'm assuming the system is based upon current shot detection technology where it listens for the sound of gun fire. Those systems were designed to be outdoors, not inside a confined echoey spaces of a cinderblock school building. Will the heavy doors used in schools slamming shut give off a false, or dozens of locker slamming shut between classes.
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