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Side effect of abortion
#1
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/27/col...latestnews

Side effect of abortion? That this animal will not be charged with murder. Infuriating.


Quote:Even though the baby girl died, legal experts say the situation is complicated by the fact that Colorado is one of 12 states that do not have laws making the violent death of an unborn child a homicide. State legislators in 2013 voted down such a measure over fears it would interfere with abortion rights, and voters overwhelmingly agreed when they rejected a similar ballot measure in 2014.

So, they voted it down not because it was unconstitutional, but because they knew that it would admit the personhood of a baby (in this case third trimester) and we can't have that, can we?!

Disgusting.
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#2
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I usually try to stay out of abortion debates, mainly because neither side will ever consider the arguments of the other side. It's literally an endless debate that gets nowhere, ever. But in this case...ah fuck it. Nevermind. I'll be here with the popcorn. Carry on.
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#3
Don't worry.....no need for popcorn.....I don't imagine anyone here is gonna want to admit this was murder, just like the lawmakers won't admit it.

The thread will likely remain quiet. It's easier to keep letting babies die. It's why this story isn't hitting more headlines. Nobody was black, and the only person that died was a nonperson. Nothing to see......

"If they're going to die, then let them do it, and decrease the surplus population." --Ebenezer Scrooge
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#4
I see no reason why such a law couldn't be mentally justified on the basis of the fetus being an asset. Even if it's not regarded as a human being, it has a non-monetary value to the parents.

As much as I am pro-choice, I could support such a law on the basis that it stole a woman's "choice."
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gascolator;163532 Wrote:I see no reason why such a law couldn't be mentally justified on the basis of the fetus being an asset. Even if it's not regarded as a human being, it has a non-monetary value to the parents.

As much as I am pro-choice, I could support such a law on the basis that it stole a woman's "choice."


Yeah but you cannot be charged with murder because you stole an "asset". You can't even be charged with kidnapping for an "asset".

An "asset" that had a beating heart, circulating blood, and was fully functioning minutes before SHE was brutally removed from HER mother.
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RugerGirl;163533 Wrote:
gascolator;163532 Wrote:I see no reason why such a law couldn't be mentally justified on the basis of the fetus being an asset. Even if it's not regarded as a human being, it has a non-monetary value to the parents.

As much as I am pro-choice, I could support such a law on the basis that it stole a woman's "choice."


Yeah but you cannot be charged with murder because you stole an "asset". You can't even be charged with kidnapping for an "asset".

An "asset" that had a beating heart, circulating blood, and was fully functioning minutes before SHE was brutally removed from HER mother.

Whatever.

You have your reasons for saying it should be a crime to kill what I call a fetus and what you call a "pre-born chld" or some such contrivance, against the will of the woman who carries it.

I have my reasons--- that they are robbing the parents of something that is very. very valuable to them and which may indeed be irreplaceable.

You see it as an offense against "life." I see it as an offense against "choice." You call it murder, I call it a form of theft.

Either way it's an offense, and should perhaps carry the same penalty as voluntary manslaughter.

So though our reasoning is different, and always will be, on this our conclusion is the same.
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#7
Except that I think it should be first degree murder, because it was premeditated, and because the mother was viciously attacked beforehand, and then the baby was left in a tub.

If you did the same basic crime 6 months later it would be first degree murder, I'm pretty sure.

With all the technology we have today, the idea that a third trimester baby (at the very least) has no personhood, including the fact that many of these babies are saved in hospitals across the country when born early, is antiquated and willfully ignorant. No direct offense to anyone on this forum, but if the shoe fits......Shrug
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RugerGirl;163536 Wrote:Except that I think it should be first degree murder, because it was premeditated, and because the mother was viciously attacked beforehand, and then the baby was left in a tub.

If you did the same basic crime 6 months later it would be first degree murder, I'm pretty sure.

With all the technology we have today, the idea that a third trimester baby (at the very least) has no personhood, including the fact that many of these babies are saved in hospitals across the country when born early, is antiquated and willfully ignorant. No direct offense to anyone on this forum, but if the shoe fits......Shrug

You'll be happier if you learn to take "yes" for an answer.
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#9
It is murder plain and simple. This a "fetus" isnt a life is BS. The fetus has a heart and a brain its not a plant.
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das;163540 Wrote:It is murder plain and simple. This a "fetus" isnt a life is BS. The fetus has a heart and a brain its not a plant.

If your faith system believes that, then it certainly is. Look up the concept of "conscience."

Fortunately (or unfortunately for those of you who'd institute a Christian version of Sharia law) we live in a country where laws are based on reason, not on faith. After all, one only has to look East to see what goes wrong when people declare articles of faith to be absolute truth.
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