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Sidearm Rental
#1
So here's a business idea:

Say you are going to fly into the capital of the fictional state of Fredonia for a week or two of business or pleasure.

You have a CCW license, either issued by Fredonia or honored there on reciprocity. However, for whatever reason, it's either impossible or massively inconvenient for you to bring your own carry firearm with you from home.

Enter Fredonia Sidearm Rentals, Inc.

When you arrive at Fredonia Gateway International, instead of catching the car-rental shuttle, you're met by a driver who takes you to what resembles an LGS and range. But there's a difference. There, your credentials are checked and you are provided with a pre-reserved choice of a sidearm for the duration of your visit.

That part of your business done, your driver will drop you at the rental car agency or airport hotel of your choice.

Some considerations:

1) You'll end up leaving a deposit equal to the full retail price of the gun
2) If Law Enforcement confiscates the gun for any reason, your deposit is forfeit unless it comes back on time; getting it back is your problem.
3) You'll buy your ammo here; whatever is left you can leave here or take with you, but there'll be no credit
4) There will be an indoor firing range to allow you to verify your rental's proper operation
5) You'll be provided with a publication listing local laws, but ultimately staying within the law will be your responsibility

Somehow I think that state or local government even in "gun-friendly" states would really hate this business model and would oppose it by any means possible.

But do you think it would "fly" with customers in a place like, oh, Miami?
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#2
You'd have to do a NICS check on every person renting, I'm not sure if that's what you meant about checking credentials or not. I don't think this would work in PA because you're technically not allowed to lend/loan a firearm non-family that doesn't have an LTCF, which is why there aren't any pawn shops in PA that will legally accept firearms.

You'd also have to have a huge liability insurance policy, probably more than a regular gun range because not only are you renting guns to persons unknown to you, but you're allowing them to take them off the property.
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#3
Sounds like even more of a legal nightmare than my beer delivery service idea.
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gascolator;125552 Wrote:You have a CCW license, either issued by Fredonia or honored there on reciprocity. However, for whatever reason, it's either impossible or massively inconvenient for you to bring your own carry firearm with you from home.

The other people mentioned the legal issues. Even if that wasn't the case, the point I highlighted is another big problem with the idea.

Handguns are highly portable. If I'm driving, the effort to take it is almost zero. If I'm flying...it really isn't that big of a deal to check it, either. Plus, it's MY handgun which has been maintained by ME, with MY carry ammo.

And if I'm going to a state I'm not legal to carry (like NY or NJ) the point is.....moo. Smile
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Johannes_Paulsen;125573 Wrote:
gascolator;125552 Wrote:You have a CCW license, either issued by Fredonia or honored there on reciprocity. However, for whatever reason, it's either impossible or massively inconvenient for you to bring your own carry firearm with you from home.

The other people mentioned the legal issues. Even if that wasn't the case, the point I highlighted is another big problem with the idea.

Handguns are highly portable. If I'm driving, the effort to take it is almost zero. If I'm flying...it really isn't that big of a deal to check it, either. Plus, it's MY handgun which has been maintained by ME, with MY carry ammo.

And if I'm going to a state I'm not legal to carry (like NY or NJ) the point is.....moo. Smile

Suppose you're coming from such a state or via it (e.g., a PA resident flying out of EWR)?
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gascolator;125574 Wrote:
Johannes_Paulsen;125573 Wrote:The other people mentioned the legal issues. Even if that wasn't the case, the point I highlighted is another big problem with the idea.

Handguns are highly portable. If I'm driving, the effort to take it is almost zero. If I'm flying...it really isn't that big of a deal to check it, either. Plus, it's MY handgun which has been maintained by ME, with MY carry ammo.

And if I'm going to a state I'm not legal to carry (like NY or NJ) the point is.....moo. Smile

Suppose you're coming from such a state or via it (e.g., a PA resident flying out of EWR)?

The FOPA of 86 covers pretty much any situation where you will be travelling with a firearm. As long as you can legally possess the gun in your departure state and final destination, you are covered for any stops in between. That also goes for driving through states that prohibit firearms. Technically you are allowed to have a handgun in New Jersey if you are only passing through, and the firearm is secured in the trunk. It also allows for reasonable stops such as fuel, food, and lodging.
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bac0nfat;125576 Wrote:
gascolator;125574 Wrote:Suppose you're coming from such a state or via it (e.g., a PA resident flying out of EWR)?

The FOPA of 86 covers pretty much any situation where you will be travelling with a firearm. As long as you can legally possess the gun in your departure state and final destination, you are covered for any stops in between. That also goes for driving through states that prohibit firearms. Technically you are allowed to have a handgun in New Jersey if you are only passing through, and the firearm is secured in the trunk. It also allows for reasonable stops such as fuel, food, and lodging.

Sort of. Two examples of the limitations of FOPA, unsurprisingly both from the People's Republic of New Jersey:

New Jersey gun laws punish TX man for legally owned guns

Unexpected Flight Delay => Hotel Stay => Criminal Prosecution for Gun Possession
I am not a lawyer.
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twency;125577 Wrote:
bac0nfat;125576 Wrote:The FOPA of 86 covers pretty much any situation where you will be travelling with a firearm. As long as you can legally possess the gun in your departure state and final destination, you are covered for any stops in between. That also goes for driving through states that prohibit firearms. Technically you are allowed to have a handgun in New Jersey if you are only passing through, and the firearm is secured in the trunk. It also allows for reasonable stops such as fuel, food, and lodging.

Sort of. Two examples of the limitations of FOPA, unsurprisingly both from the People's Republic of New Jersey:

New Jersey gun laws punish TX man for legally owned guns

Unexpected Flight Delay => Hotel Stay => Criminal Prosecution for Gun Possession

Yup. You have a similar problem if you're driving from PA to Maine via NJ, NY, and MA. Don't get a hotel for the night in MA., because there's basically no way you can be in possession of your firearm unless you're driving, eating, shitting, or pissing.
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#9
My local indoor range has had some problems with cheapskates renting guns and then proceeding to blow their brains out on the spot with them on more than one occasion to the point you can't rent a gun alone anymore without another person present unless they know you.
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Emoticon;125598 Wrote:My local indoor range has had some problems with cheapskates renting guns and then proceeding to blow their brains out on the spot with them on more than one occasion to the point you can't rent a gun alone anymore without another person present unless they know you.

Yep, that happened at Target World in Chalfont a few years back. Idiot didn't even succeed in actually killing himself, just making a mess. Most ranges now seem to have that rule; at many, you can rent solo if you bring along your own firearm as well, which strikes me as a really good policy.

With my "modest proposal," I'd be worried that the rentals would be used by out-of-town gangstas to do a crime, then returned.
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