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single mom is better off with a $29,000 job on welfare than taking a $69,000 job
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The U.S. welfare system sure creates some crazy disincentives to working your way up the ladder. Benefits stacked upon benefits can mean it is financially better, at least in the short term, to stay at a lower-paying jobs rather than taking a higher paying job and losing those benefits. This is called the “welfare cliff.”

Let’s take the example of a single mom with two kids, 1 and 4. She has a $29,000 a year job, putting the kids in daycare during the day while she works.

As the above chart – via Gary Alexander, Pennsylvania’s secretary of Public Welfare — shows, the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income and benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income & benefits of $57,045.

It would sure be tempting for that mom to keep the status quo rather than take the new job, even though the new position might lead to further career advancement and a higher standard of living. I guess this is something the Obama White House forgot to mention in its “Life of Julia” cartoons extolling government assistance.

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I have relatives that do exactly that. They do just as much (or little) as they have to in order to keep the state checks coming in.
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csmith;44429 Wrote:I have relatives that do exactly that. They do just as much (or little) as they have to in order to keep the state checks coming in.

When corporations do it, it's called a "business decision."
In the era of no shame, gaming the system on an individual basis is only smart, and I place no blame on the recipient. It's like feeding stray animals.
This shit has to stop at both the corporate and personal level, but won't until the system has been bled dry.
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Pretty sure you can't get welfare if you make 29k a year. You may qualify for food stamps, but i doubt that too.
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Valorius;44471 Wrote:Pretty sure you can't get welfare if you make 29k a year. You may qualify for food stamps, but i doubt that too.

Any form of assistance from the Gov's 80 programs is "welfare". With 2 kids, she definitely will receive CHIP, and negative income tax (i.e., a "tax refund" in excess of what was withheld). Not sure about food stamps. She may also receive energy assistance.
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Yes, of course she'll get some "breaks and incentives."

29k is way, way over the floor for EIC though. Probably LIHEAP too. At least in Pa. Now, if you're making say 19,000 a year with a kid, that's a whole different story. You'd probably get the whole 9 yards, and have a pretty good life.
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Valorius;44471 Wrote:Pretty sure you can't get welfare if you make 29k a year. You may qualify for food stamps, but i doubt that too.

It all depends on how many are in the household Val. If it is a family of 4 they "ARE" able to get it. Food stamps, LIHEAP,CHIPS.....the whole nine yards.

Use the online foodstamp and welfare calculators (just Google them) and you will see for yourself.
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Childcare is huge....most two-parent households, if the mom wants to work, she has to pay for childcare, which nixes most of her paycheck....but as a single mom if you have a low paying job you can get free childcare. Reduced cost housing....all those benefits add up to where you don't have too many bills to pay when its said and done.

To get a higher paying job you then have to forfeit much of it to childcare and housing and such...I mean...why would you want to work for your own childcare when you were getting it free before? From their point of view, I'm saying.
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sad...very sad. this is why I cannot support any form of government assistance whatsoever. welfare should not be a cozy, permanent solution to help keep food on the table and a roof over your head.

that said, I support private, voluntary charities and food banks where its goal is to literally get you into a job ASAP so it could allocate those funds and resources it's using to keep you fed and housed towards another individual or another project it has.

now, if only people saw taxation as theft, I think we'd be having a different discussion here entirely...
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RandomTask;44473 Wrote:
Valorius;44471 Wrote:Pretty sure you can't get welfare if you make 29k a year. You may qualify for food stamps, but i doubt that too.

Any form of assistance from the Gov's 80 programs is "welfare". With 2 kids, she definitely will receive CHIP, and negative income tax (i.e., a "tax refund" in excess of what was withheld). Not sure about food stamps. She may also receive energy assistance.

Chip's denied my son because the ex didn't make enough money. They told her to get insurance through welfare. In order for her to get chips, i had to pay my kids orthodontics (braces) bill through scdu instead of giving it directly to her to pay (or me just paying the ortho). Now it shows that shes making enough money, so my kid is on chips. I smoke, so i don't feel THAT bad.
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