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So I want to learn more about the M1 Carbine.
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I am another 3 weeks away from picking up my WASR-10 and I am already thinking forward to my next long gun purchase. I was thinking of either a PTR-91 with the wood furniture or a USGI M1 Carbine. I eliminated the PTR because I am not ready for a 308 rifle as I am still getting use to the recoil of my AR and the price of 308 ammo would limit me to how often I can use it. I figured I would pick up a cheap Mosin Nagant, a tin of ammo for under one quarter the price of a PTR and learn to love the recoil before investing in a more expensive semi-auto battle rifle.

Anyway that leaves me wanting a USGI M1 Carbine. I really like the 30 Carbine round as I have a fascination with PDW type weapons and 30 Carbine along with 7.62x25 Tokerav firearms were some of the first true PDW type weapons. I also want to get dibs on one as I know CMP hasn't sold them in awhile so the price is probably going up. So that brings me to my questions. I want a shooter, something that is reliable and not some special show piece. I have no desire for a collectors firearm as I don't want to pay a premium. I even considered some of the commercial copies until I heard they were total shit. With that said I would prefer spending $600 or less on one. Can I still find USGI M1 Carbines for this price?

My second question would revolve around the magazines. I know they made 15 rounders for the original M1 and 30 rounders for the M2, both of which can use either magazine. Again I heard the new commercial, Korean M1 Carbine magazines are shit. So how hard will it be to find original USGI magazines for this weapon and how much do they typically run? Also are the M1 Carbines reliable with the 30 rounder magazines? Finally how is the recoil on a M1 Carbine? I am going to assume less than on my AR-15. I am going to try and get my mother into shooting once I get my 22 pistol and if she does well I figured I can graduate her to a M1 Carbine as her first center-fire rifle.

So what's the word? Shrug
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I like the M1 carbine. Don't know a ton about them, but i've shot several. All the ones i shot were very reliable and quite accurate at 100 yds. They're very light, reasonably compact, and with good modern ammo they are very potent, at right around 2000fps and 1000fpe of energy with top end ammunition. Even the cheap-o soft point ammo should be pretty damned effective i would think.

Good poor man's SHTF weapon. One of the original PDW's, really. I'd own one if i was rich. Smile
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LifeInPa;19680 Wrote:I eliminated the PTR because I am not ready for a 308 rifle as I am still getting use to the recoil of my AR and the price of 308 ammo would limit me to how often I can use it. I figured I would pick up a cheap Mosin Nagant, a tin of ammo for under one quarter the price of a PTR and learn to love the recoil before investing in a more expensive semi-auto battle rifle.





So what's the word? Shrug

if you're still not comfortable with the recoil of an ar, the ak is going to hurt you, and a mosin would probably kill you.

have you priced 30 carbine ammo? it's right around $0.50 a rd for cheaper stuff.
as for mags, these are all usgi, so they only get usgi mags. i have no experience with aftermarket mags for them. usgi mags were once plentiful but i'm sure those days are gone.


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yes and no on the 30 round mags. if the carbine has the right mag catch they will work. the right one will have a m stamped on the relise button. i have shot alot of carbines. i can tell you if you want to shoot alot you better get into reloading. casting your own bullets would be good too.
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Valorius;19748 Wrote:I like the M1 carbine. Don't know a ton about them, but i've shot several. All the ones i shot were very reliable and quite accurate at 100 yds. They're very light, reasonably compact, and with good modern ammo they are very potent, at right around 2000fps and 1000fpe of energy with top end ammunition. Even the cheap-o soft point ammo should be pretty damned effective i would think.

Good poor man's SHTF weapon. One of the original PDW's, really. I'd own one if i was rich. Smile

That's great to hear. I remember reading on the internet how the 30 Carbine round bounced off frozen clothing in Korea but I have seen actual test to disprove that. A guy got several layers of denim which he froze, a water bottle and a thick piece of lumber. When he shot it with the 30 Carbine it past through the denim, water bottle and 4 inch thick piece of lumber cleanly. They couldn't find the round. I figured if it can do all that it would make a fun plinker and something I could depend on for self-defense should the need arise.

The best part is I can go online and get a 50 round box of Tula for $12 and plink to my hearts desire.

brian;19778 Wrote:
LifeInPa;19680 Wrote:I eliminated the PTR because I am not ready for a 308 rifle as I am still getting use to the recoil of my AR and the price of 308 ammo would limit me to how often I can use it. I figured I would pick up a cheap Mosin Nagant, a tin of ammo for under one quarter the price of a PTR and learn to love the recoil before investing in a more expensive semi-auto battle rifle.





So what's the word? Shrug

if you're still not comfortable with the recoil of an ar, the ak is going to hurt you, and a mosin would probably kill you.

have you priced 30 carbine ammo? it's right around $0.50 a rd for cheaper stuff.
as for mags, these are all usgi, so they only get usgi mags. i have no experience with aftermarket mags for them. usgi mags were once plentiful but i'm sure those days are gone.

I know, originally I planned on purchasing the AK in another year after I mastered the AR but the prices just keep on going up. I remember not long ago a WASR-10 costing $400 flat but I ended up paying $500 for mine back in spring. Sure if I wait long enough after the elections the price will probably come down but it will never get down to $400 I bet. Anyway it cannot be nearly as bad going from 22 LR to 5.56/223. I will probably buy a recoil pad to slip on the stock to save my shoulder, I will probably twitch for the first 200-300 rounds but by then I will probably acclimate to the recoil like the AR. Firing the AR still comes as a bit of a shock but I get better every time out.

As for the ammo I have priced the ammo. I can get the Tula 50 round boxes for around $12-$13 a box which is a dollar or two less than I pay for 50 rounds of steel cased 223. Thanks for the advice though, I figured USGI is the only way to go with magazines.

bob308;19795 Wrote:yes and no on the 30 round mags. if the carbine has the right mag catch they will work. the right one will have a m stamped on the relise button. i have shot alot of carbines. i can tell you if you want to shoot alot you better get into reloading. casting your own bullets would be good too.

I think I will just avoid the headaches and stick with 15 round magazines. Thank you. Smile
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When i was younger, i remember when imported used AK clones went for $180 bucks, and a Mini-14 was like $400 brand new.

Those days are long gone.
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Valorius;20025 Wrote:When i was younger, i remember when imported used AK clones went for $180 bucks, and a Mini-14 was like $400 brand new.

Those days are long gone.

Indeed and I bet years from now I will be saying I remember when Colt 6920's went for $1k and WASR-10's went for $500. That's why I am buying now even though I rather have done it at a slower pace over time.
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Scavenge the gun shows if you are looking for just a shooter.
I recently pieced together a very nice shooting carbine with all GI parts for less than $400.
I see shooter grade ones still in the $400-450 range in decent shootable shape with just cosmetic problems.

When buying, a few tips, many were brought back into the country from South Korea where they were not well taken care of.
Be especially wary of ones marked "Blue Sky" on the barrel between the band and sight.
While they imported some good ones, I think they were high bidder on the shitty lots that were available at the time.
There are anecdotal reports of them hitting the barrels so hard that they ovaled them during the import stamping.

Springfield Sporters brought in carbines from Columbia, most of these were good to go as they actually test fired and function checked them, however, they also sold a lower grade in the showroom. They stamped theirs under the handguard so finding the import stamp might be a bit difficult.

Check the bore, all US ammo was non corrosive, but the same might not be true for ones coming from foreign countries.
It is said that China made fake LC52 carbine ammo that is corrosive.

The gas system on a carbine can be hard to clean, I would try a few boxes of the Tula before committing to a whole case. In my experience, Tula is dirty so it may not work well in the particular carbine you end up with.

GI mags are plentiful, stay away from the jokers at shows selling rusty mags as collectibles.
There are a few companies that made carbine mags in small numbers and they do bring a premium, but you should easily find surplus 15rnd mags for $10 or so if you look hard.

Your mother should have no problem with recoil.
Some people need to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936976021/ref=...jwbZH1GAZF

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Valorius;20025 Wrote:When i was younger, i remember when imported used AK clones went for $180 bucks, and a Mini-14 was like $400 brand new.

Those days are long gone.

I bought my first .30 Carbine for $165, and it was a Rockola.
My first Garand was $195.
I was buying bulk packed surplus LC carbine ammo for $40 per 500.
Balister Molina .45 for $175.
Numerous .303 Brits for $69 and a few P14 Enfields for $125.

I lived not more than 5 miles from Springfield Sporters when they were in their heyday, I worked two jobs at the time, the second was as a night janitor and my entire paychecks went right to them every payday.

Sad thing is that a wedding, starting my own business, kids and then divorce/custody forced me to sell all of them.
Talk about sellers remorse, things I'll never be able to replace for no less than a premium price.
Some people need to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936976021/ref=...jwbZH1GAZF

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I'm glad this game up. I'm looking to purchase one in the next couple months as well. Good info here on what to look for! Thanks

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