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So in three days I might not have a job (gun related)
#1
My Minotaur M-TAC broke a few months ago, so I switched to an OWB holster. I carry everyday at work as permitted my employer. Obviously my OWB doesn't conceal as well, and a customer saw it while I was climbing up a ladder. My boss (who's also my dad) found about it, and wasn't happy. He instantly changed the policy to "no more guns while on the job." I told him please don't make a quick decision like that over one incident, and sleep on it before making a decision.

Well he slept on it, for two days, and decided to stick to his guns (bad pun). Still no guns allowed.

I pleaded with him, please reconsider. I've been carrying daily for 4.5 years with no incident. I practice regularly and though I'm not certified, I've taught over a dozen people how to shoot and can recite all the gun safety rules with no problem.

I asked if we could come to a compromise. He said he would allow me to keep a gun in the building if it's in a lock box. I'm not happy with that, because I could be anywhere in the building at anytime, and really want to have my gun on my person. I suggested that I buy another deep concealment holster (so customers wont see it) and offered to take an NRA safety class, NRA instructor class, and even get ACT 235 certified. The look on his face showed that he was seriously considering it, and he told me "give me three days to decide."

I told him that I would comply with the new policy for three days. And I told him that if he decides to continue the current policy, I would violate it, and continue to carry. I said, "would you fire me for violating the policy? Because I feel strongly enough about this to lose my job." He said he didn't know.

Fortunately for me, I have a lot of leverage here. I'm the only technician that works for him. I put in over 40 hours a week and work on weekends when necessary. My work ethic and quality of work is second to none, and he knows it. To put it bluntly, he would be screwed without me. And I already have 3 other job opportunities in my back pocket just in case.

I really want to continue being a part of the family business, but I REFUSE to be disarmed.
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#2
Good luck with it! Doesn't sound like he will risk losing you, and at least you have backup plans.

What business are you with? Curious since I'm in Bucks too. You can PM me if you want to keep it private, or you don't have to answer at all LOL.
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#3
RugerGirl;70144 Wrote:Good luck with it! Doesn't sound like he will risk losing you, and at least you have backup plans.

What business are you with? Curious since I'm in Bucks too. You can PM me if you want to keep it private, or you don't have to answer at all LOL.

I sent you a PM, but want to keep this private so for those that are interested:

Quote:It's called **********. We are a Motorola two-way radio dealer and install, test, maintain, and repair two-way radios. But we also do other odd jobs like CAD design work, troubleshooting and repairing machinery (on both the hardware and software end), product development for other companies, and have even worked on bomb quad robots and special cameras for he Olympics (cable cam, dive cam, steady cam, etc.). We will basically take any job that comes our way if it has anything to do with communications, electronics, CAD design, product development, etc. We're a very small business and only have three employees: The owner, a salesman, and me (the technician).
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#4
Good luck with it and let us know how it plays out. That makes me want to go out and buy backups of my favorite IWB and OWB holsters.
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#5
Anyone remember the thread about week ago when my dad asked me if I have a gun? This one:

http://www.pa2a.org/thread-my-boss-just-...pon-on-you

So considering that, this is straight out of left field.
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#6
You have made a tough but well thought out decision. No matter what, you can be proud of your actions on this. Sometimes taking a stand on what is right (in your eyes) is the hardest thing in life you will ever do.
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Publican;70164 Wrote:You have made a tough but well thought out decision. No matter what, you can be proud of your actions on this. Sometimes taking a stand on what is right (in your eyes) is the hardest thing in life you will ever do.

Thanks, and I feel the exact same way. I've always tried to keep work and family separate, despite being in a family business. I think (and hope) that my dad will realize how seriously I feel about this, and make the right choice. Because firing me will be the wrong choice for both of us, and the company.
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bac0nfat;70143 Wrote:
My Minotaur M-TAC broke a few months ago, so I switched to an OWB holster. I carry everyday at work as permitted my employer. Obviously my OWB doesn't conceal as well, and a customer saw it while I was climbing up a ladder. My boss (who's also my dad) found about it, and wasn't happy. He instantly changed the policy to "no more guns while on the job." I told him please don't make a quick decision like that over one incident, and sleep on it before making a decision.

Well he slept on it, for two days, and decided to stick to his guns (bad pun). Still no guns allowed.

I pleaded with him, please reconsider. I've been carrying daily for 4.5 years with no incident. I practice regularly and though I'm not certified, I've taught over a dozen people how to shoot and can recite all the gun safety rules with no problem.

I asked if we could come to a compromise. He said he would allow me to keep a gun in the building if it's in a lock box. I'm not happy with that, because I could be anywhere in the building at anytime, and really want to have my gun on my person. I suggested that I buy another deep concealment holster (so customers wont see it) and offered to take an NRA safety class, NRA instructor class, and even get ACT 235 certified. The look on his face showed that he was seriously considering it, and he told me "give me three days to decide."

I told him that I would comply with the new policy for three days. And I told him that if he decides to continue the current policy, I would violate it, and continue to carry. I said, "would you fire me for violating the policy? Because I feel strongly enough about this to lose my job." He said he didn't know.

Fortunately for me, I have a lot of leverage here. I'm the only technician that works for him. I put in over 40 hours a week and work on weekends when necessary. My work ethic and quality of work is second to none, and he knows it. To put it bluntly, he would be screwed without me. And I already have 3 other job opportunities in my back pocket just in case
.

I really want to continue being a part of the family business, but I REFUSE to be disarmed.

Publican;70164 Wrote:You have made a tough but well thought out decision. No matter what, you can be proud of your actions on this. Sometimes taking a stand on what is right (in your eyes) is the hardest thing in life you will ever do.

bac0nfat;70165 Wrote:
Publican;70164 Wrote:You have made a tough but well thought out decision. No matter what, you can be proud of your actions on this. Sometimes taking a stand on what is right (in your eyes) is the hardest thing in life you will ever do.

Thanks, and I feel the exact same way. I've always tried to keep work and family separate, despite being in a family business. I think (and hope) that my dad will realize how seriously I feel about this, and make the right choice. Because firing me will be the wrong choice for both of us, and the company.

Good luck and I hope it works out for you. Standing on principle is noble and tough to do. Keep in mind though, not every job is gun friendly and if you find yourself looking for work elsewhere you may not be pleased and in fact be disarmed.
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soberbyker;70172 Wrote:
bac0nfat;70143 Wrote:
My Minotaur M-TAC broke a few months ago, so I switched to an OWB holster. I carry everyday at work as permitted my employer. Obviously my OWB doesn't conceal as well, and a customer saw it while I was climbing up a ladder. My boss (who's also my dad) found about it, and wasn't happy. He instantly changed the policy to "no more guns while on the job." I told him please don't make a quick decision like that over one incident, and sleep on it before making a decision.

Well he slept on it, for two days, and decided to stick to his guns (bad pun). Still no guns allowed.

I pleaded with him, please reconsider. I've been carrying daily for 4.5 years with no incident. I practice regularly and though I'm not certified, I've taught over a dozen people how to shoot and can recite all the gun safety rules with no problem.

I asked if we could come to a compromise. He said he would allow me to keep a gun in the building if it's in a lock box. I'm not happy with that, because I could be anywhere in the building at anytime, and really want to have my gun on my person. I suggested that I buy another deep concealment holster (so customers wont see it) and offered to take an NRA safety class, NRA instructor class, and even get ACT 235 certified. The look on his face showed that he was seriously considering it, and he told me "give me three days to decide."

I told him that I would comply with the new policy for three days. And I told him that if he decides to continue the current policy, I would violate it, and continue to carry. I said, "would you fire me for violating the policy? Because I feel strongly enough about this to lose my job." He said he didn't know.

Fortunately for me, I have a lot of leverage here. I'm the only technician that works for him. I put in over 40 hours a week and work on weekends when necessary. My work ethic and quality of work is second to none, and he knows it. To put it bluntly, he would be screwed without me. And I already have 3 other job opportunities in my back pocket just in case
.

I really want to continue being a part of the family business, but I REFUSE to be disarmed.

Publican;70164 Wrote:You have made a tough but well thought out decision. No matter what, you can be proud of your actions on this. Sometimes taking a stand on what is right (in your eyes) is the hardest thing in life you will ever do.

bac0nfat;70165 Wrote:Thanks, and I feel the exact same way. I've always tried to keep work and family separate, despite being in a family business. I think (and hope) that my dad will realize how seriously I feel about this, and make the right choice. Because firing me will be the wrong choice for both of us, and the company.

Good luck and I hope it works out for you. Standing on principle is noble and tough to do. Keep in mind though, not every job is gun friendly and if you find yourself looking for work elsewhere you may not be pleased and in fact be disarmed.

Thanks. But like I said, I refuse to be disarmed. If I choose another job, I will request to look at the employee manual before working there. If it says "no guns," I wont take the job. If not, I will deep conceal and say nothing about it.

My current employee manual says "no illegal guns" but the employer has the right to set policies verbally, so that point is moot.

And one of the three job possibilities in my "back pocket" is the United States Army. Infantry. At least I'll get to carry when I'm deployed.
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#10
You have a heck of a heart and spine. I'll give you that much. Unfortunately I don't have any advice to give you. I never had an employer who would even take it in to consideration. I have a family to feed and I'll gladly die because I'm unarmed in doing it. My only idea is total deep concealment. I'd take that option myself if I could stop buying big guns long enough to have one small enough for it. There are a lot of decent pocket sized guns. Sorry I'm not much help.
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