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So in three days I might not have a job (gun related)
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Camper;70250 Wrote:
bac0nfat;70249 Wrote:Yeah I know, but there are other reasons for joining the service. I've wanted to do it since I was probably 5 years old. If you live on base, can you have a gun in your "quarters" or whatever they call the living arrangements they provide for you? Pardon my ignorance, I honestly know nothing about being in the service.

Yes you can, but you'll be required to register them on base. And no CC or OC in or out of uniform.

There are plenty of good reasons to join the military, but honestly doing so so you can carry in a war zone isn't one of them. Especially since you're unloaded when you're carrying on base (as was the case in Iraq and Afghanistan)

That's not one of the reasons. Well, maybe it was when I was five, but now it's because I want to serve my country, I want the training, I want the whole experience of being in the military in general, and I honestly want a change from this 9-5 clock in/clock out type life for a little bit. I think it will build me into a better, more well-rounded person.

Oh yeah, and chicks dig guys in uniform.
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#22
bac0nfat;70249 Wrote:
Camper;70238 Wrote:If you join the army, you will be unarmed more often than armed. And, if you live off base and commute to work, you will not be allowed to even keep your gun in your car at all even with an LTCF.

When I worked for the army way back when, that was my biggest beef...I had an hour commute and had to be disarmed the whole time, unless I wanted to risk jail due to a random vehicle search.

Yeah I know, but there are other reasons for joining the service. I've wanted to do it since I was probably 5 years old. If you live on base, can you have a gun in your "quarters" or whatever they call the living arrangements they provide for you? Pardon my ignorance, I honestly know nothing about being in the service.

It depends on your rank. When I left the USMC in 2007, no one was permitted to have a gun in the barracks. They had to be kept in the armory where the armorers would fondle (scratch and break) them and you had to check it out when you wanted to use it, and back in when you were done. Unmarried Marines ranked E-3 or below were required to live in the barracks (that may have just been a base order though).

I don't know if the rules differ for on-base housing. If you are married, you can probably choose to live in off-base housing. I'm not sure if you'd be allowed to carry at work.

Some bases allow hunting in designated areas (check gun out of armory, hunt, return to armory for cleaning/storage), others don't allow anyone other than MPs to be armed. I think the latter is the case more often than the former. You'd have to check the base regs where ever you are. In my 7 years in, I'd never witnessed someone carrying in garrison for SD. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there were a lot of times we'd have the company or bunch of guys together and everyone would take off their utility top and I never saw a holster.

I'd go so far as to say you would be out of uniform regs if you were wearing one, since being "under arms" has it's own regs associated with it that prescribe when authorized, what you carry, and how (holster), weapon condition, etc. Granted most services don't take uniform regs as seriously as the Marines, but it'd be worth reading up on. Most of the time in garrison that you have an M16, it will be unloaded and for ceremonial use. I think you'll find yourself unarmed a lot more than you are now. When you join the military, you forfeit certain rights (pretty much all of the Bill of Rights) in defense of them for others. You may no longer speak freely about superiors (esp CIC), they will tell you when to unload your weapons and when you can't carry them. They will make other soldiers live with you (in the lower ranks if not married), they will randomly come into your living quarters and search through everything like you are a prisoner under the guise of providing health and comfort. You are subject not only to the laws of the land, but further, the Uniform Code of Military Justice which is more strict (adultery is illegal, disrespecting superiors is illegal, etc).

I think being in the Marines was the best thing I ever did. I learned a lot, and it created a vested interest in me to get involved with politics and champion the cause of liberty. I'd recommend it for people who are seeking discipline, direction, confidence.

Val was Army Infantry and can weigh-in on the specifics of that life/culture, but I wanted to let you know that my experience in the Marines was mostly gun free, rather ammo free, since we were constantly cleaning when not shooting at the range once a year. If you're that passionate about not being disarmed, it might not be the ideal job for you.
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#23
Hi, it's me, the rare voice of reason among the chest-thumpers and principle-standers.

BaconFat, last I checked, you have a house, family, and bills. Virtually any job you take, short of a low-paying job in a gun shop, is going to make you disarm. There are very few places where carrying is acceptable. Sometimes, especially times when the economy is in the toilet and good jobs are hard to find, the work place is not the place to stand on principle. Especially when you have a good paying job. I strongly suggest you re-think your position and insert a little logic into the situation.

And as for joining the military, don't forget, their soldiers are so well armed, that a crazy Muslim Army shrink was able to sneak in, murder a lot of folks, and not even be killed when they finally disarmed him. Along with the fact that the POTUS is such a pussy, the whackjob shrink has not even been tried because they don't know what to do about his facial hair. Along with the fact that the POTUS is spreading troops thinner and thinner with less and less support. Why anyone would join the military and be part of what we bitch about regularly, especially under the current POTUS, is far beyond my understanding. Unless they like being a meat shield in a desert shithole.

Suck it up, put the pistol in the lock box, and get to work. The people in here thumping their chest and telling you to stand on principle sure as shit will not be paying your bills or patting your back when you're living on a street corner.
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crlovel;71307 Wrote:Hi, it's me, the rare voice of reason among the chest-thumpers and principle-standers.

BaconFat, last I checked, you have a house, family, and bills. Virtually any job you take, short of a low-paying job in a gun shop, is going to make you disarm. There are very few places where carrying is acceptable. Sometimes, especially times when the economy is in the toilet and good jobs are hard to find, the work place is not the place to stand on principle. Especially when you have a good paying job. I strongly suggest you re-think your position and insert a little logic into the situation.

And as for joining the military, don't forget, their soldiers are so well armed, that a crazy Muslim Army shrink was able to sneak in, murder a lot of folks, and not even be killed when they finally disarmed him. Along with the fact that the POTUS is such a pussy, the whackjob shrink has not even been tried because they don't know what to do about his facial hair. Along with the fact that the POTUS is spreading troops thinner and thinner with less and less support. Why anyone would join the military and be part of what we bitch about regularly, especially under the current POTUS, is far beyond my understanding. Unless they like being a meat shield in a desert shithole.

Suck it up, put the pistol in the lock box, and get to work. The people in here thumping their chest and telling you to stand on principle sure as shit will not be paying your bills or patting your back when you're living on a street corner.

Thanks for the post, but I already lost my family and pretty soon my ex-family is going to (try to) take my house.

Anyway the military thing is my last resort. A place that will provide housing (if I need it it) and everything I need to get by. We'll see what happens.
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bac0nfat;71339 Wrote:Thanks for the post, but I already lost my family and pretty soon my ex-family is going to (try to) take my house.

Anyway the military thing is my last resort. A place that will provide housing (if I need it it) and everything I need to get by. We'll see what happens.


That's an awfully extreme solution to a relatively simple problem.
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#26
This is just another example of how polarized the people and families in this country have become! Good luck.
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soberbyker;70203 Wrote:Again, that's great, if you can afford it. I have a good paying job with excellent benefits, but it takes me to jersey once in a while, can't conceal deep enough for that risk.

You could always "suitcase" it.Confused
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#28
I'll bet your dad caves. I also bet that if he didn't and you still carried he wouldn't fire you. I also bet that if you deep concealed anyway he'd never know, which is what you'd have to do if you got another job. Sticking to your guns is great, he wouldn't respect you otherwise. From here just go forward and conceal well..
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#29
soberbyker;71342 Wrote:
bac0nfat;71339 Wrote:Thanks for the post, but I already lost my family and pretty soon my ex-family is going to (try to) take my house.

Anyway the military thing is my last resort. A place that will provide housing (if I need it it) and everything I need to get by. We'll see what happens.


That's an awfully extreme solution to a relatively simple problem.

I agree, but don't forget about my posts when I said there were other job opportunities I have lined up before that, and military is only a LAST resort, and there have always been a lot of reasons why I've wanted to join the military anyway, unrelated to the benefits. Things like the overall life experience, the training, serving my country, etc.

Anyway, I don't think I'm gonna lose my job. Three days has passed, I got a deep concealment holster, and I'm carrying again. I will continue to do so until further notice from my employer. Knowing my dad, and knowing that HE KNOWS how stubborn I am, he will simply never bring the issue up again unless another "incident" happens. Let's hope.

By the way a way THANK YOU to Sean Reed (member here CDI) for providing me with a deep concealment holster for my Glock 19 until I get the funds together to buy my own. Not only did he hook me up with a holster, but its a damn good one too.
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#30
I saw your post about your family after my initial response, and I'm sorry to see the shit you're going through, but don't forget, your daughter is still your daughter, and still your family, even if your ex is gone. Don't let the bad shit happening with your ex influence bad decision-making in other areas of your life. This is a family-owned business, yes? You have a direct line to taking over when dad retires? Then don't blow an awesome situation.

Lawyer up for the divorce and fight for custody, especially if your wife has been cheating. Between that, and the pre-nup, I would hope a good lawyer will come through for you.

And for fucks sake, don't join the Army for three hots and a cot. That would be one of the dumber reasons for joining, right after "spreading democracy and the American way."
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