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so much for "We don't negotiate with terrorist"
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(06-02-2014, 12:47 AM)Philadelphia Patriot Wrote: Also I found this comment on a military blog and a lot of veterans who were in the area during Bergdahl's capture and helped look for him say this story is very accurate:

Quote:I WAS THERE. I'm sick of all the lies. Here is the TRUTH, from someone on the ground. We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday.

source (go to comments section)

I saw the comments several places, but could not locate its source. Thanks for the post. I'd still like to see hard core confirmation, and then a Courts Martial.
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JustinHEMI;144914 Wrote:1 of ours is worth 5 of theirs? Expect more of ours to go missing.

Justin

This. The reason we have such a firm stance on this is because it has been proven time and time again that terrorists have become emboldened by actions such as this.

Anyone who thinks that it is acceptable to drive bombs laden vehicles with children sitting in car-seats and infant carriers into gates, knowing that soldiers would hesitate to stop the vehicle due to the presence of children, will kidnap more American soldiers (and eventually civilians) in exchange for the people sent on suicide missions who don't end up being killed after all.

To put it in simpler terms, if the stoners in the high school lunch room hound you for "just a quarter, bro" every day and you consistently say no, eventually they go away--give them a quarter, you'll never be rid of them, and more will come begging. Tell them no after that, they'll start getting a bit more aggressive.
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MORE EVIDENCE HE DESERTED. WHEN CNN QUESTIONS HIS MOTIVES SOMETHING IS WRONG. das Bergdahl Before Capture: I'm Ashamed to Be American

Monday, 02 Jun 2014 09:20 AM



With Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl safe after five years as a prisoner of the Taliban, the circumstances of his capture are getting a fresh look.

Bergdahl was freed on Saturday in exchange for five Guantanamo Bay detainees. His release was celebrated by Washington politicians, including Republicans, but many felt the United States had broken its longstanding policy of not negotiating with terrorists.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Bergdah...z33UNwerlK
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Regardless and even if NewsMax accidently finally got something right, bring him home. If true, we can court martial him.

Bottom line is that we value life more than they do. Its the right thing to do.
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Dave;145007 Wrote:Regardless and even if NewsMax accidently finally got something right, bring him home. If true, we can court martial him.

Bottom line is that we value life more than they do. Its the right thing to do.

The right thing to do was not to desert. We should have held onto those 5 high ranking Taliban officials. Even if we court martial him and he's found guilty of treason, I highly doubt he'll face the gallows.

Not to get off topic, but Eric Snowden warns the American citizens that their government is illegally spying on them, and the government brands him a traitor. Bergdahl purposely abandons his post, gets captured, then turned over after we give up 5 of our top Taliban prisoners, and all of the sudden the president labels him a hero.....after several US soldiers have died looking for this deserter.

This country is going to hell.Dodgy
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I would actually like to try him in a military court before just accepting hearsay or what he said while captive or what the F'ing Taliban says. If guilty, fine. Leaving him there to rot? No way.

And Snowden did a hell of a lot more than inform the public. He want from one enemy to another. Sorry for any considering that pos a hero. Him going to china or Russia to preach about freedom is as screwed up as being told to shut up in a thread complaining about the left closing down debate. Rational thinking can only take so much abuse before it's head explodes.

And sorry too for any considers themselves living in some sort of hell. May be about time to leave moms house to explore the real world to fully understand how good we have it here.
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Quote:Officer: Soldiers Were “Threatened” If They Questioned Story of Bergdahl’s Capture, Forced To Sign Non-Disclosure Agreements…

A former U.S. officer who served in Afghanistan with Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl claims that soldiers were threatened by U.S. authorities if they questioned his story.

After he was captured, Bergdahl said on a video from his captors that he lagged behind on patrol, although other sources in the military suggested anonymously that he walked away from his post.

“Not only has this nebulous non-story been put out for years but you know these soldiers of 4th Brigade 25th Infantry Division were threatened with legal repercussions if they spoke about Bergdahl.

Everybody officially mandated silencing of what we saw has been so frustrating,”
Bethea explained on BBC World Service Radio today.

Bethea served in Sgt. Bergdahl’s unit, and was an infantry officer in the U.S. Army from 2007 to 2014

CNN’s Jake Tapper also reported that many of Bergdahl’s fellow troops signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl’s disappearance and the efforts to recapture him.

Bethea explained that now he was safe, more soldiers would be trying to tell the truth of his disappearance.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...dahl-Story
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Dave;145015 Wrote:I would actually like to try him in a military court before just accepting hearsay or what he said while captive or what the F'ing Taliban says. If guilty, fine. Leaving him there to rot? No way.

And Snowden did a hell of a lot more than inform the public. He want from one enemy to another. Sorry for any considering that pos a hero. Him going to china or Russia to preach about freedom is as screwed up as being told to shut up in a thread complaining about the left closing down debate. Rational thinking can only take so much abuse before it's head explodes.

And sorry too for any considers themselves living in some sort of hell. May be about time to leave moms house to explore the real world to fully understand how good we have it here.

I still think the US is the best country in the world, especially in terms of freedom, but I think we are heading in the wrong direction. There are even a lot of mainstream media sources who are questioning how he was captured. Even retired military generals are saying the circumstances are very suspicious.

I'm sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree about Snowden. I think he did the right thing, but didn't think out too far ahead of how he might try to live his life. Is it ironic that he is staying in Russia? Yes, it is. What the government is doing violates our 4th amendment rights, but their justification is in the name of safety and security.

I've said this before, but if we have to give up just one little ounce of freedom due to a terrorist attack or threat of attack, then the terrorists all ready won. After what has happened after 9/11, I say this with a heavy heart, but the terrorists accomplished their goal. Now we are giving up our freedoms and way of life in the name of safety from terrorism.

Again, I still think the US is the best country in the world, but I think we are heading down a wrong path. Political correctness, corruption, and the idiots in high positions who influence our country are making us worse off. Even society is negatively affected, evident by the whole "entitlement belief". When I leave my "moms house", I have to go through the streets of Philadelphia. All I see is a lot of violence, poverty, and corruption. As much as I hate Philadelphia, it still hurts me to see the city become more of a cesspool of everything I am against.

I believe in hard work, being a good person, and trying to make ourselves, our neighborhoods, and even our country better. Unfortunately, often I don't get to see that happen much where I live.
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Philadelphia Patriot;145024 Wrote:I've said this before, but if we have to give up just one little ounce of freedom due to a terrorist attack or threat of attack, then the terrorists all ready won. After what has happened after 9/11, I say this with a heavy heart, but the terrorists accomplished their goal. Now we are giving up our freedoms and way of life in the name of safety from terrorism.

Following this logic we can say that the criminals have won when we lock our doors. Yeah ok. The rest we can agree to disagree on Wink
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The value of one American equals five Arabic terrorist scum. Good to know. The point remains regardless of whether he deserted (although that makes it worse).


We also have a former marine unfairly imprisoned in Mexico.....what is Obama going to do for him???
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