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First of all, how is the principal supposed to know, short of standing by the guard's side all day long? It seems to me that when he found out about it, he issued an apology and did #6 as you listed below.

How could you forsee this problem if a policy manual is ignored by the employee?
Rhetorical question. I don't expect an answer. You have your perspective, and it includes vilifying anyone who works for a school system. No wonder the good ones are leaving teaching. No one will support them.

Emoticon;153812 Wrote:
mingomom;153762 Wrote:Emoticon, I have to disagree with you. In many cases, people working in the building do not report to or take direction from the principal. What I see here is that the security company was hired by the administration and probably reports only to the superintendent. Similarly, in the school district I was involved in, the food services department took orders only from the superintendent, even though they worked in a specific building. Any problems had to be discussed with the upper administration and they dealt with the issue.

Principals can only deal with what they know about, and in the chain of command. It sounds as if this principal is dealing with it properly.

I've never worked in a school or directly for government so perhaps I'm not used to wasting resources and money like its going out of style like they do, however, I have never in my life heard of any organization that advocates for a reactive management for dealing with problems versus a proactive one. Because people have chosen to compartmentalize themselves over the years in my mind does not absolve the administration from keeping a close eye on what is happening on the ground. It's a similar concept to if a cafeteria worker put rat poison and the Sloppy Joes, a couple kids died, but they found the person that did it, fired them and then look at all the parents and say, "What? You want something else to happen here too?". The administration are the captains of the ship, it's still their job to keep an eye on things or to make the subordinates feel the need to make sure nobody else is getting away with some fuckery behind the captain's back. Generally, in private business when a problem is encountered after the fact when it is too late to prevent or has already occurred, the course of action is usually as follows;

You ask...

1)Who are the people responsible that whose job it is to make sure things like this don't happen?

2)Then you gather a meeting of those people responsible at each level of the organization, at which point you ask them;

3)How did we not see this problem coming beforehand?
4)What were the points of failure in the chain of command that allowed this to happen?

5)Once you've established what caused the issue to happen, you then take people aside and discipline the people at the points where the failures in the chain of command occurred and at the very least let them know what happened was unacceptable. From there we then sit everyone down and say.

6)Okay, that was a major screw up, what changes can we make in the future to make sure this thing doesn't happen again?

In this story it appears that they did only steps 1 and 5 and then that was it, because everyone nowadays just wants to throw up their hands and pretend like it's someone else's job so the issue just dies right there. You see the same thing at lower levels too from union group-think that occurs People respond to incentives, if you hold everyone involved in the issue responsible to some degree they are more likely to say something to management if they see something isn't amiss during the times the administrators simply can't take the time themselves to take a look at how their ship is operating under their watch at every level during certain times.

It reminds of the state department of transportation no matter what state you are in and how they usually won't put that sign up that says "Caution Sharp Turn!" at the hairpin turn everyone locally knows as "deadman's corner" until the requisite number of people die or some horrific tragedy involving a car load of teenagers or a bus full of kids has to happen before the public outrage builds enough to get the state up off it's ass and do something about it.
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Any person, business or organization can look good when things go according to plan. It's how they handle situations when things go sideways that demonstrates a quality outfit. Lets face it, people screw up, committees come to wrong conclusions, screws fall out of things, it's imperfect world. Take Amazon for instance, they screw up all the time yet we have a whole thread here on pa2a.org singing their praises because they make it right (sometimes better than right) when the do.

I give this principal credit. When he found out about a problem he owned it and took steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. How many times have we seen these mealy mouthed public school administrators kick the can down the road and lecture us about "policy" and "following procedure" and assorted horse shit like that. I'll be surprised if this principal isn't disciplined by the district mooks for making the right call.
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Rik Bitter;153871 Wrote:Any person, business or organization can look good when things go according to plan. It's how they handle situations when things go sideways that demonstrates a quality outfit. Lets face it, people screw up, committees come to wrong conclusions, screws fall out of things, it's imperfect world. Take Amazon for instance, they screw up all the time yet we have a whole thread here on pa2a.org singing their praises because they make it right (sometimes better than right) when the do.

I give this principal credit. When he found out about a problem he owned it and took steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. How many times have we seen these mealy mouthed public school administrators kick the can down the road and lecture us about "policy" and "following procedure" and assorted horse shit like that. I'll be surprised if this principal isn't disciplined by the district mooks for making the right call.

The principal and the district did better at dealing with it than any Catholic School has ever done.

And I include the latest incident where "Buck's County's Best And Brightest" grads from Abp. Wood High School just beat the shit out of a gay couple down in Philly.

Wood and the diocese still haven't owned how they trained these homophobic upper-middle class brats to turn into common thugs at the sight of two young men on a date.
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