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look i want to take a min and say my heart is filled with sadness with what happend to the people that died in that school. and all over in all the mass shooting that has been taking place. but this is why we need police in all schools and also have all Law Abiding Citizens carry guns every were. when will we be sick of being a victim of gun crimes. and other crimes that hurt us. why cant we open are eyes and make a stand and say no more. way do we think banning guns will work. people that dont care about the law will get them and use it on us that cant have one and follow the law. we need to make a stand right now and get armed guards in all schools any were the public goes if you are a gun free zone because it does not make crime not happen because you have a damn sign. how many more people will died before we get this in are heads. we dont need to ban guns but we as gun owners need to come together and make it were people that want to own a gun need to have gun training and get free or half off safes or gun locks and hold the people that let there guns fall in the wrong hands to be held by law for not locking there guns up after there kids or family member takes it. there is a fine line but i feel like its time to talk with are kids about guns and what happens. also get gun free zones gone. they dont do anything but let people that are going on a killing spree ......hey look no one will stop me.......they dont care about your sign or anything eles. but if you let people that have had a background check and have a gun in your business things like this will not happen. or if it does it will not be a mass killing spree. also places like schools should have a few cops there at all times to stop things like this from happening to are kids. and for other places like malls stores and banks need to think about the up side of letting law abiding citizens come in there places we will never let a mass killing spree happen were we are. plus having a sign that says we allow law abiding citizens to carry here will make it a harder target to hit because they have no clue who has a gun. it might not stop altogether murders but it will not be so many as right now.
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crazydazy86;53526 Wrote:we as gun owners need to come together and make it were people that want to own a gun need to have gun training and get free or half off safes or gun locks

Nowhere in the verbiage of the 2nd does it stipulate training as a requirement to keep and bear arms. Adding such requirements opens the doors to "good cause", police powers of inspection, mandatory storing unloaded and all the other crap the antis are preaching. Training will become government regulated and take years to complete. I have done my best to ignore the media and gun control statements flooding the Internet but one place I will not close my browser and look the other way is here on this forum. This is a dangerous line of thinking, a very slippery slope.

I'm with you on eliminating gun free zones and allowing us to protect ourselves. I'm with you on adding more security at schools, though I'm not sure police are the answer. I for one don't trust an average cop firing a gun within 500 meters of my children.
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#3
i understand everything you said i do. but what more can we do before they just try totake guns away without trying other stuff. there are states like mine that are very easy to get a gun. its a fine line i walk right now about what i said but i thinking something like training needs to be done because there are alot of people that own guns and have no clue the rules laws about owning one. and we as gun onwers should help fellow gun owners or people looking to buy a gun a place were they can come for free and learn how to use it when to use it and help them understand the law. im super pro-gun even tho i think people need to be tranined just like you have to test yourself to drive. i think you should be able to get help or go to a place and others like us or some one that has gun traning should have a place for people to go for free to learn about guns and law. also about cops its ether way for a armed person or cop they might miss. i just want to see something done then fight what we dont like bout gun rules before they just try and upright take them from us even tho it might never happen. i am just saying.



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crazydazy86;53526 Wrote:we as gun owners need to come together and make it were people that want to own a gun need to have gun training and get free or half off safes or gun locks

Nowhere in the verbiage of the 2nd does it stipulate training as a requirement to keep and bear arms. Adding such requirements opens the doors to "good cause", police powers of inspection, mandatory storing unloaded and all the other crap the antis are preaching. Training will become government regulated and take years to complete. I have done my best to ignore the media and gun control statements flooding the Internet but one place I will not close my browser and look the other way is here on this forum. This is a dangerous line of thinking, a very slippery slope.

I'm with you on eliminating gun free zones and allowing us to protect ourselves. I'm with you on adding more security at schools, though I'm not sure police are the answer. I for one don't trust an average cop firing a gun within 500 meters of my children.
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#4
The last time there was w school shooting in Israel, it was 1973. Afterwards, they passed a law allowing faculty to arm themselves with military-grade weapons to keep their kids safe. They haven't had a single student fatality since 1973, by the way.

Of course, anti-gun people will swear that this info is correlative, not causative.
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#5
Because it will be a lot harder to fight them after weve allowed them to take some of our liberties. Why wait? Draw a line in the sand and start fighting now. I see the correlation to needing a license for driving a car, but there is no uninfingable right to drive.
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crazydazy86;53533 Wrote:i understand everything you said i do. but what more can we do before they just try totake guns away without trying other stuff. there are states like mine that are very easy to get a gun. its a fine line i walk right now about what i said but i thinking something like training needs to be done because there are alot of people that own guns and have no clue the rules laws about owning one.

Do you honestly think mandatory training would have stopped yesterday's tragedy? I'm fairly certain the shooter wanted to shoot people. No amount of safety training would have prevented it.

The answer is NOT more laws. I would be in favor of more training though, as long as it's not mandatory. It runs along the same lines as charity. Charity is good because it's voluntary. Once charity is mandated, then it becomes theft and is evil.


I'd be in favor of instituting a gun safety course in high schools as an elective (probably become a damn popular one too).
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#7
I highly support armed teachers and faculty. I support an armed society, period. If I could legally arm my kids I would.
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#8
For me I think the government already intrudes into too many parts of our lives controlling how we have to do things. Guns are tools and it is my responsibility to learn how to that tool, not the governments responsibility to force me. Using the same logic you can expand the requirements for classes to other areas.

Want to use a powersaw take a class. It's for your safety
Want to use a chainsaw, take a class. It's for your safety
Want to use a power drill, take a class. It's for your safety
Want to use a hammer, take a class. It's for your safety

In reality the government does not know or care if I have a powersaw, chainsaw etc...... IMO that's the way it should be. I think it should be the same way with a gun.

In addition I have always had a problem with the philosophy of punish the majority for the sins of the minority. A few people screw up, why should I be paying for their mistakes whether it's in time or money.


Then there is the "right shall not be infringed" part in the Constitution.

It does not say " you shall be allowed to own a gun if you jump through these hoops that we are going to arbitrarily make up"
Everytime we look the other way when someone else loses rights we disagree with, we make it easier to lose the rights we support.

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i agree to let me clear up what i am trying to say i think we as gun owners should set up a place were people can come to laren to use there guns and the laws about guns for free. i dont think that in its salf would not have this happen but something needs to give. also i am for people carrying guns. and to get ride on gun free zones.


General Geoff;53541 Wrote:
crazydazy86;53533 Wrote:i understand everything you said i do. but what more can we do before they just try totake guns away without trying other stuff. there are states like mine that are very easy to get a gun. its a fine line i walk right now about what i said but i thinking something like training needs to be done because there are alot of people that own guns and have no clue the rules laws about owning one.

Do you honestly think mandatory training would have stopped yesterday's tragedy? I'm fairly certain the shooter wanted to shoot people. No amount of safety training would have prevented it.

The answer is NOT more laws. I would be in favor of more training though, as long as it's not mandatory. It runs along the same lines as charity. Charity is good because it's voluntary. Once charity is mandated, then it becomes theft and is evil.


I'd be in favor of instituting a gun safety course in high schools as an elective (probably become a damn popular one too).
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#10
understandable but there are people that bay a gun and have no damn idea how to use it. or anything about it. this does not need to be. also i never said the gov. needs to teach us there are 35.8 + mill gun owners that could set up a place some were in there state to show people how to use them and tell them about the laws i run a site were people ask me all the time about laws and stuff some i know others i dont and its takes a few days just to find the info. i think it should be alot easyer for people to get the info there looking for about guns. and a place they can meet other gun owners and talk about things. this in its self will not have these killings happen but it can make people more aware of stuff and maybe they will carry and stop someone from going on a killing spree never know.


Internet troll;53548 Wrote:For me I think the government already intrudes into too many parts of our lives controlling how we have to do things. Guns are tools and it is my responsibility to learn how to that tool, not the governments responsibility to force me. Using the same logic you can expand the requirements for classes to other areas.

Want to use a powersaw take a class. It's for your safety
Want to use a chainsaw, take a class. It's for your safety
Want to use a power drill, take a class. It's for your safety
Want to use a hammer, take a class. It's for your safety

In reality the government does not know or care if I have a powersaw, chainsaw etc...... IMO that's the way it should be. I think it should be the same way with a gun.

In addition I have always had a problem with the philosophy of punish the majority for the sins of the minority. A few people screw up, why should I be paying for their mistakes whether it's in time or money.


Then there is the "right shall not be infringed" part in the Constitution.

It does not say " you shall be allowed to own a gun if you jump through these hoops that we are going to arbitrarily make up"
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