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ArcticSplash;169060 Wrote:I was under the impression that Senator Toomey was not going to try this again.

Did PA4SP believe that Toomey had intentions to promise another gun control bill in the Senate or something?

Was it over this? -> http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/gu...cks-119361

Yes. He was on MSNBC Morning Joe and said it. And he was quoted by the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/power...trol-push/

He seemed to be doing it to pick up "independent" votes for 2016 and refused to see that his base would stay home if he pulled a stunt like this.
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longcall911;169069 Wrote:
ArcticSplash;169060 Wrote:I was under the impression that Senator Toomey was not going to try this again.

Did PA4SP believe that Toomey had intentions to promise another gun control bill in the Senate or something?

Was it over this? -> http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/gu...cks-119361

Yes. He was on MSNBC Morning Joe and said it. And he was quoted by the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/power...trol-push/

He seemed to be doing it to pick up "independent" votes for 2016 and refused to see that his base would stay home if he pulled a stunt like this.

Ugh if he wants to get a bunch of Republicans in the coal counties to stay at home, that would do it.

He would be much better off supporting Pennsylvania Competes, which is trying once again to get LGBT equality in PA. That has the support of over 71% of Pennsylvania voters, including loads of gun owners. I've already endorsed them.

If he wants to soften himself up to Indep voters, this seems obvious:
http://www.pennsylvaniacompetes.org/


He will piss-off a few evangelicals and have Rep. Metlcafe bad mouthing him, but the votes he gains will more than pay for the couple thousand he'll lose. Pissing off gun owners will cost you tons more votes and throw your election in our state.

As it should be.
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ArcticSplash;169070 Wrote:
longcall911;169069 Wrote:Yes. He was on MSNBC Morning Joe and said it. And he was quoted by the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/power...trol-push/

He seemed to be doing it to pick up "independent" votes for 2016 and refused to see that his base would stay home if he pulled a stunt like this.

Ugh if he wants to get a bunch of Republicans in the coal counties to stay at home, that would do it.

He would be much better off supporting Pennsylvania Competes, which is trying once again to get LGBT equality in PA. That has the support of over 71% of Pennsylvania voters, including loads of gun owners. I've already endorsed them.

If he wants to soften himself up to Indep voters, this seems obvious:
http://www.pennsylvaniacompetes.org/


He will piss-off a few evangelicals and have Rep. Metlcafe bad mouthing him, but the votes he gains will more than pay for the couple thousand he'll lose. Pissing off gun owners will cost you tons more votes and throw your election in our state.

As it should be.

I don't disagree but as a 2A organization our only goal was to get to him to abandon his attempt at new gun control legislation that he somehow thinks the NRA approves of (universal background checks) and then admits they don't, and then admits they wouldn't have prevented any of the mass shootings, but then says we need them anyway.
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longcall911;169083 Wrote:
ArcticSplash;169070 Wrote:Ugh if he wants to get a bunch of Republicans in the coal counties to stay at home, that would do it.

He would be much better off supporting Pennsylvania Competes, which is trying once again to get LGBT equality in PA. That has the support of over 71% of Pennsylvania voters, including loads of gun owners. I've already endorsed them.

If he wants to soften himself up to Indep voters, this seems obvious:
http://www.pennsylvaniacompetes.org/


He will piss-off a few evangelicals and have Rep. Metlcafe bad mouthing him, but the votes he gains will more than pay for the couple thousand he'll lose. Pissing off gun owners will cost you tons more votes and throw your election in our state.

As it should be.

I don't disagree but as a 2A organization our only goal was to get to him to abandon his attempt at new gun control legislation that he somehow thinks the NRA approves of (universal background checks) and then admits they don't, and then admits they wouldn't have prevented any of the mass shootings, but then says we need them anyway.


Oh I know. It's good that you reminded him of the "One Term Toomey" chant.

For Republicans looking to soften themselves up to make themselves Independent-attracting magnets there's a lot more options than caving on a civil right. I'm trying to take advantage of that and at the same time I have to help out my local R committee which has dismal registration numbers, and one way to do that is to get away from wedge issues (like abortion, gun control) as possible and do stuff we used to be good at.... you know, like economic policy.
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ArcticSplash;169086 Wrote:
longcall911;169083 Wrote:I don't disagree but as a 2A organization our only goal was to get to him to abandon his attempt at new gun control legislation that he somehow thinks the NRA approves of (universal background checks) and then admits they don't, and then admits they wouldn't have prevented any of the mass shootings, but then says we need them anyway.


Oh I know. It's good that you reminded him of the "One Term Toomey" chant.

For Republicans looking to soften themselves up to make themselves Independent-attracting magnets there's a lot more options than caving on a civil right. I'm trying to take advantage of that and at the same time I have to help out my local R committee which has dismal registration numbers, and one way to do that is to get away from wedge issues (like abortion, gun control) as possible and do stuff we used to be good at.... you know, like economic policy.

Just what we need, another protected class, OH wait LGBT is already a Federally protected class of People.

I guess they want to make sure that they are also part of the subconsciously discriminated class.
With the Second Amendment saying what it says, Why isn't the Federal Government Suing NY
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51158;169087 Wrote:Just what we need, another protected class, OH wait LGBT is already a Federally protected class of People.

I guess they want to make sure that they are also part of the subconsciously discriminated class.


You are male, that's a protected class (gender). Married/single? That's a protected class (marital status). Religious/not-religious? That's a protected class (creed). Even being white is a protected class (several PA cases won in the last 10 years over detrimental hiring tests that give bonus scores based on race over white candidates who receive nothing).

And Susquehanna Polling now shows this year 78% of Pennsylvanians support it, and it rises to over 80% for registered Independents.


So, I'm not crying any tears over your angst.
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#17
Update in Politico...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/pa...oup-213610
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#18
Looks like Newsworks (WHYY) in Philadelphia has something new to report....

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/polit...und-checks

Quote:A Pennsylvania gun rights group says it cancelled planned protests on the day of U.S. Sen. Pat Toomey's re-election announcement after the Toomey camp promised to back off background check legislation.



Democrats are pouncing on the allegation as evidence Toomey isn't the common-sense lawmaker he claims to be. Toomey's office says it ain't so.

After the Sandy Hook school shootings, Toomey teamed up with Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin to try strengthening background checks for gun purchases.

The idea died in Congress, but, at his re-election announcement Sunday, Toomey emphasized his commitment to finding common ground with Democrats on ideas that make sense.

In a campaign video shown before Toomey spoke, he says, "I'm deeply concerned about public safety, about keeping our children safe in schools, about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals."

But Pennsylvanians for Self Protection said on its website that it cancelled planned protests that day, after the Toomey camp "gave positive responses to our request that the Toomey-Manchin anti-gun legislation or any similar bills not be reintroduced."

"We sincerely appreciate all of those who signed up to protest the senator's offices statewide," the website told supporters. "We will update you if the need arises for a political demonstration, but now it seems unnecessary."

The Toomey campaign referred me to the senator's Washington communications director, E.R. Anderson. She said Toomey's statewide director of operations, Bob DeSousa, met with group members and told them the senator is still committed to the principles of the Manchin-Toomey legislation.

"Senator Toomey is 100 percent committed to expanding background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill," Anderson wrote in an email. "He is open to supporting any legislative effort that accomplishes that goal, including the reintroduction of the Manchin-Toomey bill."

This account is obviously at odds with the Pennsylvanians for Self Protection website.

I reached out to the group, and Director of Legislative Affairs Tom Campione wrote in an email that the group's board will meet Wednesday to discuss the subject, and he can't add anything until then.

Just in case any reporters missed it, Democratic senatorial candidate Katie McGinty's campaign issued a release linking to the website and a story in Politico, and saying the Toomey campaign was "caught red-handed playing politics with the issue of gun safety."
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#19
I think this is a fairly complete list of the major sources.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/pa...oup-213610

http://www.pagunblog.com/2015/09/15/toom...n-control/

http://www.politicspa.com/pa-sen-toomey-...ion/69164/

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local...und-checks

http://www.gunproplus.com/pa-politics-gu...on-toomey/

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-pa-to...story.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politic...1509160098

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...gislation/

http://www.dscc.org/pressrelease/toomey-...s-out-gate

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/ec...un-Control

http://abc27.com/2015/09/17/gun-rights-g...ks-stance/

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...14a6d.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...ecks-stan/

http://article.wn.com/view/2015/09/17/De...reme_Reco/

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/gun-rig...trol-bill/

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/capit...-guns.html

http://www.journalgazette.net/opinion/ed...rs-8814568

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2...l-n2053527
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