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Synthetic Motor Oil as a Gun Lubricant in TEOTWAWKI
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Synthetic Motor Oil as a Gun Lubricant in TEOTWAWKI

Sir:
During my two tours to the Sand Box with the U.S.M.C., we encountered some of the worst conditions weapons can endure. The sand in the Middle east is fine "moon dust" similar to talcum powder. The problem is that when mixed with water or oil commonly used in cleaning weapons systems it turns to a mud like paste. We discovered that the regular issue Cleaner, Lubricant, Protectant (CLP) [which is a Mil-Spec lubricant, sold commercially under the trade name "Break Free CLP".] CLP was contributing to the problem more than fixing it. It is true that we cleaned our weapons daily sometimes two or three times depending on conditions and enemy activity. Our M16/ M4s would function properly as long as they were cleaned routinely. Problems would occur when troops were engaged for prolonged times and couldn't risk breaking down their weapons to clean out all the dirt. We would simply pour in more CLP. An AR-15 type rifle will fire and function dirty as long as it is liberally lubricated. The problem is the more oil you pore down the bolt and into the chamber the more dirt it collects. What we discovered is that using Mobil1 synthetic motor oil usually in a 0w30 or 5w30 works much better than the CLP. At $10 per quart it is on the expensive side as motor oils go. But when compared to CLP or Rem Oil that are usually sold in 6 ounce containers at $5 to $6 it is much more cost effective. We also experimented with it on out crew served weapon systems. We found it to out perform the (Lubricant, Small Arms (LSA) used on the M2 (.50 Cal Browning machinegun) and MK-19 (40mm grenade launcher).

We had a one M2 so close to the courtyard where our LZ was that it literally had to be cleaned, to function properly, after every bird touched down and took off. This presented a huge problem as the frequency of the flights in and out ,crucial to resupply our Battalion, would render the weapon inoperable. We solved this problem with the Mobil1 in a 20w50 weight as LSA is more similar to axle grease that gun oil. Also we began to cover the weapon with a poncho every time we heard a bird in the air or saw the smoke canisters in the LZ. Due to the high security risk and vulnerability of helicopters during landing and take off, OPSEC was in place. This meant we never knew when the next bird was coming in. One of my Marines actually had the weapon system mounted on his turret malfunction and jam during a fire fight. They had just left the wire and the cleaned weapons as was SOP before every patrol. I shared the secret and traded him a bottle of Mobil 1 for a few energy drinks he had received in a care package. He never had a problem again.

I heard a rumor that the Marine Corps had experimented with synthetic motor oils as potential weapons cleaning lubricants. They determined them to be too effective and decided it would bring complacency as Marines might assume that they now had to clean their weapons less. This is not the case. I still recommend cleaning your weapon as frequently as possible. In the Corps we would hold random weapons inspections and any NCO could demand to see the bolt on any junior Marine's weapon at anytime. I also want to mention that we never tested traditional (non-synthetic) motor oil on our weapons but the use of motor oil for cleaning and lubrication of weapons systems has been recognized by the US Military as early as WWII and can be found in numerous field manuals.

Thought your readers might like to know this. Semper Fi, - Sgt. K.A. U.S.M.C.
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Funny how they mention the M-2.....I have been using 10W40 for lube in my 1919 semi since I built it. Pretty much the recommended lube from 1919a4.com...run it wet, lots of metal to metal surface to lube. A .50 is the essentially the same design, just BIGGER.

I have used motor oils on some actions before, usually on stored parts and kits or a quick lube on a new build I have to set aside for awhile. The only reason I don't stick with it is .....well.... it smells like motor oil.Confused

I see no reason why a quality motor oil won't work in any weapon, modern oils lubricate well, for a long time, the detergents will fight acidity and corrosion, and probably help with keeping carbon and other products of combustion soft for easier cleaning. Just don't care for the motor oil smell myself...SHTF....who cares about smell?
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I would think that any kind of oil would be better than nothing. Hell I'd put olive oil in my guns if there was nothing else available. It might smoke like crazy but it's gotta be better than running dry.
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(09-17-2012, 01:20 PM)bac0nfat Wrote: I would think that any kind of oil would be better than nothing. Hell I'd put olive oil in my guns if there was nothing else available. It might smoke like crazy but it's gotta be better than running dry.


Toss in a little garlic if you're gonna do that. Wink

I do need to stop reading so fast, I thought the previous poster said WD40, not 10W40. Wink
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I actually have used 30W motor oil in my AK already Cool I was out shooting with a friend and put a lot of rounds through it. Realized neither of us had our oil so I had a QT of it in the bed of the truck we used. LOLOL
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Transmission and power steering fluid also work well. Both are based on vegetable oil. And for that matter, vegetable oil works fine in a pinch too.
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I think any lube will do in a pinch, but personally...nothing touches my guns other than Weapon Shield!
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(09-17-2012, 01:20 PM)bac0nfat Wrote: I would think that any kind of oil would be better than nothing. Hell I'd put olive oil in my guns if there was nothing else available. It might smoke like crazy but it's gotta be better than running dry.


Gadsden_clr Peanut oil has a higher smoke point and smells better.
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(09-17-2012, 04:36 PM)Yosemitesam Wrote:
(09-17-2012, 01:20 PM)bac0nfat Wrote: I would think that any kind of oil would be better than nothing. Hell I'd put olive oil in my guns if there was nothing else available. It might smoke like crazy but it's gotta be better than running dry.


Gadsden_clr Peanut oil has a higher smoke point and smells better.


If we're basing this off of smell, why not just use butter?
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(09-17-2012, 04:36 PM)Yosemitesam Wrote:
(09-17-2012, 01:20 PM)bac0nfat Wrote: I would think that any kind of oil would be better than nothing. Hell I'd put olive oil in my guns if there was nothing else available. It might smoke like crazy but it's gotta be better than running dry.


Gadsden_clr Peanut oil has a higher smoke point and smells better.


It's also a lot more expensive than Olive Oil. There was a really bad peanut harvest last year and the price of all peanut products has shot up significantly. A couple of days before the price went up, I bought a bunch of peanut butter, at the time it was $7.36 for two large containers, today it's a little over $12 for the same amount.

(09-17-2012, 04:38 PM)bac0nfat Wrote:
(09-17-2012, 04:36 PM)Yosemitesam Wrote:
(09-17-2012, 01:20 PM)bac0nfat Wrote: I would think that any kind of oil would be better than nothing. Hell I'd put olive oil in my guns if there was nothing else available. It might smoke like crazy but it's gotta be better than running dry.


Gadsden_clr Peanut oil has a higher smoke point and smells better.


If we're basing this off of smell, why not just use butter?


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