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Teacher Faces 1 Year In Prison, Job Loss, For Protecting Children Concealed-Carry
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Quote:Kansas elementary school teacher Daniel Nagel faces a year in prison and job loss for going above and beyond the call of duty and protecting his students with his concealed-carry permit.

Daniel would take a bullet for any of the 300 children he teaches daily and he should be awarded for his bravery. Instead, he is on suspension and awaits a May 30 hearing with the school board and a June 11 court appearance.


On Monday, May 20, Dan was teaching gym and carrying his handgun in an inside-the-waistband hip holster. So, there was zero chance that his gun would fall out of his holster or hurt his students and a 100 percent chance that Daniel could defend his students if a gunman breached the school.

Daniel is highly competent with firearms; he practices at the range monthly and also takes yearly classes to advance his firearm skills.
Another teacher observed what must have been the silhouette of Daniel’s handgun beneath his clothes while he was actively teaching his students. This teacher-observer panicked and told the principal that Daniel had a gun. Without investigating, the principal immediately called the police.

Despite the fact that Daniel is a concealed-carry permit holder with a spotless record, the police arrested him for carrying in a “gun free zone.”
A few police officers tried to remove Daniel’s gun from his holster and were unable so Daniel had to tell them how. Which, again, speaks to how secure Daniel’s gun was at his side.

To reiterate, there was no chance that his gun would endanger children; there was a very large chance that Daniel could use his gun to save their lives. The Wichita Police Department is a 12-minute drive and seven miles away from White Elementary. In the event of a mass attack, hundreds of defenseless children and teachers could be killed before the cops would arrive.

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/05/17...led-carry/
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Unfortunately, Daniel Nagel violated the law and school policy. It sucks, but he knew what the school's policies were and what the law states. Even though I do disagree with him carrying at the school, I do understand his desire to keep the kids safe. Maybe one day PA (yes, I realized this took place in Kansas) will allow teachers and staff to carry at secondary schools. Even if teachers were to OC at school, I doubt after one month of it being implemented that students would even care or be distracted by the firearm on the teacher's hip.
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Philadelphia Patriot;104124 Wrote:Unfortunately, Daniel Nagel violated the law and school policy. It sucks, but he knew what the school's policies were and what the law states. Even though I do disagree with him carrying at the school, I do understand his desire to keep the kids safe. Maybe one day PA (yes, I realized this took place in Kansas) will allow teachers and staff to carry at secondary schools. Even if teachers were to OC at school, I doubt after one month of it being implemented that students would even care or be distracted by the firearm on the teacher's hip.

Maybe. I don't know Kansas law, but it is possible they have a clause similar to ours: "or other lawful reasons". He had a LTCF so he only potentially violated state law, not federal. If Kansas does allow carry for "other lawful purposes" - or something similar - it is entirely possible he is going to be a test case of that law - not all that much unlike many of us have been with this same issue or our preemption laws....
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The only way you could probably conceal at a school if you were determined to do so would be a Smart Carry or a thigh holster (as a girl, if you wore a skirt).

The bad thing is that even if he DID protect a bunch of kids, and had to shoot a bad guy, he'd still be arrested, most likely.
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RugerGirl;104147 Wrote:The bad thing is that even if he DID protect a bunch of kids, and had to shoot a bad guy, he'd still be arrested, most likely.

Yeah, but if going to jail is the price to pay for saving children's lives from an active shooter, then I'd say it is a noble price to pay. I'm not justifying his actions, I'm just saying they are understandable. Right now he is probably being portrayed as a gun nut for getting caught carrying in a secondary school. However if there was an active shooter and he neutralized it, his case would be leading the campaign to allow teachers to carry, even if he goes to jail.
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They should have published the name, address and phone number of the pansy who ratted him out.
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*poof* making this post its own thread
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Apparently in Kansas only LEO's are permitted to have firearms on public school property by default, no questions asked.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/05/24/k...-property/

And Kansas amended their laws to permit schools to appoint one staff member the right to carry, but at this school the school board refused to appoint such a person. Wichita is an urban area so I would presume none of the school districts around there would do such a thing.


Petition drive to restore Daniel's job:

http://articles.kwch.com/2013-05-24/supp...y_39508521

Quote:May 24, 2013|by Brian Heap | Factfinder 12 Investigator

(WICHITA, Kan.) — With clipboard in hand, Kimberly Lowmiller trolled garage sales in a west Wichita neighborhood Friday.

She wasn't looking for bargains. She was looking for signatures.

"My friend, Daniel. I don't know if you heard about him on the news," she said to a stranger.

Lowmiller asked Wichitans to sign a petition to keep her friend Daniel Nagel employed as a teacher. Nagel was suspended earlier this week after another employee at White Elementary saw him with a gun.

"We all have brain farts, you know and do silly things," Lowmiller said. "I think his heart was in the right place."

Lowmiller believes Nagel armed himself to keep students safe. She thinks a suspension is punishment enough.

"There's some crazy people out there, I'm sure. But Daniel's not one of them," she said.

Reaction has been mixed since Nagel's arrest Monday. And not everyone Lowmiller encountered was comfortable signing her petition.

"He knew the rules and he broke them and so there should be no leeway there," said Chris Whalen.

A parent from White Elementary has started a supportive online petition. Stacy Barngrover hopes "Stand with Dan" will not only save Nagel's job, but create some new laws in Kansas.

For now, the law is clear there are no guns allowed on campus. Nagel's future with the school district is unclear. He is scheduled to appear in court June 11th for a misdemeanor gun charge.
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