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Texas Student Punished For Refusing To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance
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RugerGirl;83912 Wrote:
billamj;83908 Wrote:Maybe not for saying the pledge of allegiance to this country, but for being forced to say the pledge of ANOTHER country? Sorry, but that is a step too far. Any teacher that tried to fail my kid for not saying the pledge of allegiance of another country is going to have problems and if the school/district isn't willing to work it out I would have no compunction about suing.

Well my response was mainly to Justin who feels like people should be able to sue for having to say the American pledge of allegiance. I think that's ridiculous. Therefore lawsuits shouldn't have to be filed for any "pledge"...students should simply be allowed to opt out of any stupid stuff their teachers ask them to say or do.

And while I think its very stupid for a teacher to make kids say other pledges, or dress up like Muslims, or read the Koran, or whatever else....students should be allowed to opt out without any punishment....even leave the classroom if they are offended without being forced by discipline to conform.

Lawsuits should be reserved for people who actually lose something unjustly, like a perfect school record, or large amounts of money. I'm getting so tired of lawsuits flying around the country because somebody is hurt or offended.

Some days, however, a good class-action against the Department of Education for making schools into huge indoctrination centers may be appropriate. Ha.

No really....truthfully, I've very very tired of this lawsuit mentality. I bet no other country in the world sues each other as much as we do, and its all because we want free money.

To the bolded, DUH! That's the point of being able to sue. If a student is FORCED, against their rights, then they should be able to sue. Of course they should be able to opt out! What is their recourse if they cannot? SUE!

You being tired of law suits is not an argument against students being able to sue for their civil rights.

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Schools are becoming so diverse...really parents need to start taking charge of their kids' educations. Schools cannot possibly please every single family....if they were required to do that, or face lawsuits, then schools will be getting constant lawsuits.

Maybe we should go back to the idea of small, localized school districts where the parents pay directly for school instead of general taxes being taken out and kids being forced to go to the school in their own district, like it or not.... then, each school can make decisions based on what their paying people want, rather than what the government says, or the latest immigrant likes.

But that's pie in the sky, because the feds never give power back to the states. Too bad the economy is bad enough to where most people cannot afford to stop working and homeschool if they disagree with the local school district.
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NO disagreement here. Our schools are AFU!

Back on topic, I hope this girl wins out.

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JustinHEMI;83924 Wrote:If a student is FORCED, against their rights, then they should be able to sue. Of course they should be able to opt out! What is their recourse if they cannot? SUE!

Justin

I agree. This should be protected by the 1A. It's the same thing with "a moment of silence". If you want to pray to yourself, then say you're prayer. If you want to stand there and check out the girl's butt standing in front of you, then creep away. Big Grin
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I'm against frivolous lawsuits, but protecting your constitutional rights is never frivolous.
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From the article:

"The recitation of the Mexican pledge and the singing of the Mexican national anthem was part of a 2011 Spanish class assignment at Achieve Early College High School. The teacher, Reyna Santos, required all her students to participate in the lesson"

To me its about the same as a Christian being 'forced' to learn about evolution in science class. Shrug
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RugerGirl;83906 Wrote:Actually lawsuits are getting ridiculous in this country. I'm getting fairly tired of it. And no, kids shouldn't be able to sue for saying the Pledge of Allegiance. If they get kicked out of school and their permanent record is marred to where they can't get into college, maybe... but if no permanent record is harmed, then a lawsuit is stupid.

Lawsuits are America's latest lottery game. Roll the dice and hope your lawyer wins you big. Dodgy

Unfortunately, often times a lawsuit is the only language they understand.
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Dave;83997 Wrote:From the article:

"The recitation of the Mexican pledge and the singing of the Mexican national anthem was part of a 2011 Spanish class assignment at Achieve Early College High School. The teacher, Reyna Santos, required all her students to participate in the lesson"

To me its about the same as a Christian being 'forced' to learn about evolution in science class. Shrug

Why am I not surprised? When I took French, I learned to sing "La Marseillaise." It was part of learning about the culture. Now if she'd been forced to put her hand over her heart, or to do whatever Mexicans are supposed to do, that'd be another thing. But to simply know and understand the words as an academic requirement?
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Dave;83997 Wrote:From the article:

"The recitation of the Mexican pledge and the singing of the Mexican national anthem was part of a 2011 Spanish class assignment at Achieve Early College High School. The teacher, Reyna Santos, required all her students to participate in the lesson"

To me its about the same as a Christian being 'forced' to learn about evolution in science class. Shrug

Singing a national anthem is one thing, saying the pledge of allegiance to that other country is something completely different.
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I don't think anybody should be forced to pledge an oath of fealty to the Crown.

Yeah, that includes our own pledge of allegiance.

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