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the language of hoplophobes and the quest to make guns evil
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it's no news to us that the anti 2a people out there consider a piece of metal and plastic something that is innately evil. their use of the term "assault rifle" makes most of us shudder.

pocketprotector even brought up the fact that "gun violence" is now used instead of "gang violence".

one thing i've noticed is the constant reference to our streets as in "making the streets safe" by getting "assault rifles out of the streets of our cities". we all know they really mean getting our legal rifles out of our homes, but of course, they don't want to say that.

cnn even ran an article on the different sides of the debate and their use of language.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/31/politics/g...index.html

Quote:It's the biggest, fiercest debate taking place across America. But it's poisoned from the get-go by a Tower of Babel predicament.
In disputes over the future of gun laws, people espousing different positions often literally don't understand each other.

of course, the article assumes we don't understand the other side, insinuating (maybe just in my head) that calloused and emotionally insulated gun rights activists do not understand something as real as 20 dead children before christmas.

in watching the video, it's no surprise that anderson cooper shows a clip of gabby giffords struggling to speak, then goes on to say that both sides cherry pick their data due to a loose definition of terms and a lack of data due to the republican defunding of the CDC with respect to gun violence. ugh.

edited to add: when the article goes into the description of items that generally constitute an assault rifle it started listing them but stopped on barrel shroud to give it a little extra explanation 'a shroud allowing the shooter to "hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned"'. it seems that the know we're still laughing about "the shoulder thingey that goes up". i lol'd.

what do you guys think? what uses of language have you guys noticed?
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#2
They are doing everything they can to demonize the object and those who do not want to see them melted into playground equipment that the left will similarly ban in the future for being too dangerous.
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#3
I'm noticing everything is "assault" lately.

I also notice every single gun crime being reported. Not sure if gun crime is up, but people will think so do to over dramatized reporting.
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RugerGirl;74418 Wrote:I'm noticing everything is "assault" lately.

I also notice every single gun crime being reported. Not sure if gun crime is up, but people will think so do to over dramatized reporting.

There's no increase in gun crime, just an increase in the reporting to push the agenda. This kind of reporting has been going on for decades, from shark attacks, to people getting bitten by the evil breed of dog of the year.

In the immortal words of Mother from Sneakers

"Cattle Mutilations are up"

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Although, to be fair to the article, I have found that many, many heated debates are resolved once both sides understand what the other means. Even like the anti-2A debates, once both sides understand what is actually intended to be conveyed, the underlying issues can then be debated. I believe we do a good job of trying to understand the other side. They, on the other hand, not so much.
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panopticonisi;74392 Wrote:what do you guys think? what uses of language have you guys noticed?

My edit of the OP:

To answer this question:

-Assault weapon (as previously mentioned)
-Automatic (to refer to semi)
-Military (when used to describe our civilian versions)
-Always ask "WHY do you 'NEED' a mag that holds....rounds"
-They always state that the Founders never envisioned modern weapons when penning the 2A
-So often told that we do not need guns because the Police will protect us
-They try to use absurd arguments like "Then should you be able to have nuclear weapons?"
-COMMON SENSE gun laws


Will add more when I think of them
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rmagill;74426 Wrote:Although, to be fair to the article, I have found that many, many heated debates are resolved once both sides understand what the other means. Even like the anti-2A debates, once both sides understand what is actually intended to be conveyed, the underlying issues can then be debated. I believe we do a good job of trying to understand the other side. They, on the other hand, not so much.

I agree with you in a general sense, but I don't think that's the case here. It's not that the left doesn't understand, it's that they don't care. They don't care why we need these guns, they don't care what arguments we present. They will never be swayed, they've made up their mind. What scares me is the Republicans that support this nonsense.

As for the OP, I don't like the misuse of the term "high capacity." To me, a "high capacity" magazine is a magazine that holds more rounds than whatever the gun was originally designed to hold. To me, a 30-round AR15 magazine is "standard capacity" while a Beta-C mag is high capacity. A 17-round Glock mag is standard capacity, and a 33 round mag is high capacity. Regardless of the terminology, none of them should be banned.

ETA:

"Designed for one thing only, to kill as many people as possible."
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bac0nfat;74681 Wrote:"Designed for one thing only, to kill as many people as possible."

oooh, that reminds me. I'm gonna paraphrase this nugget that circulated for a short time immediately after the announcement of an ar-15's use in both shootings. "the. 223 caliber round is a high powered bullet designed to specifically to mow down and destroy humans as quickly as possible."

as far as I know, there are much better, more lethal rounds out there but the .223 round was designed to be a lightweight projectile with negligible recoil simply so it could be carried without fatigue and employed by users of all shapes and sizes.

the same goes for collapsible stocks. we know that it's to accompdate people with different arm spans and chest/shoulder shapes. why are they even allowed to suggest otherwise?
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panopticonisi;74703 Wrote:the same goes for collapsible stocks. we know that it's to accompdate people with different arm spans and chest/shoulder shapes. why are they even allowed to suggest otherwise?

Don't be silly, we all know that collapsible stocks and pistol grips and barrel shrouds are designed for "spray fire from the hip." Rolleyes
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Another that O uses daily:
"Weapons of war have no place on our streets".
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