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Don't worry, most don't really believe the Book. Well, to be more accurate they selectively pick what they want to believe but have no issue ignoring other parts.

The New Testament is a truly wonderful document which I strongly encourage all the read, no matter you feelings about the religion. One reading would also illustrate how completely full of crap many so called Christians really are.
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Emoticon;151134 Wrote:I've pointed out time and time again that your entire argument hinges upon your personal opinions about when the mysterious thing you call "human life" begins as opposed to something that is living like every other creature on the planet.

Oh no, I pointed out this "mysterious thing called human life" that scientists and embryologists have declared begins when the sperm fertilizes the egg.

You are trying to confound the issue by arguing the concept of when "personhood" begins because that is where the defense of abortion can only sustain itself.

Quote:You are trying to take the square peg that is your religious opinion of what "human life" is and when it begins and trying to mash it into the round hole that is biology in an attempt to legitimize your point and make the science appear to fit in your own mind when reality.

You're the one arguing the science in order to fit into your personal and social opinion, and you say I'm the one being dogmatic?

And your claim that you consider your hand a human life. Really? Are you trying to be serious? Because if you are, that is the most idiotic claim that can be made regarding biology and human physiology.

Seriously, that is literally the dumbest thing I've read on this site. I'm actually stupider for having acknowledged it.

Quote:In reality in this instance the two fields of biology and theology

The theological argument revolves around when personhood begins, and points to science to tie it to the formation of a human life. Even without the theological argument, science knows when human life begins. It has been pointed out to you many, many times. You are rejecting that based on your own personal opinion, and to further your own political viewpoint.

The rest of your religious non-sequitur was ignored.

goofin;151194 Wrote:oh please stop with the hype. if you ultimate warrior jesus was so great why is there so much evil done in the name of religion?

Why is there so much evil done absent of religion?

Answer my question, and you'll have the answer to your own.

"Scientists" like Dr. Irving whose goal is to infiltrate academia to push a theological agenda? I suppose if the church won't let you be a priest or a pastor, becoming a fake researcher is another way to dedicate your life to the cause without becoming an asexual nun. Let's assume that's not the case for the sake of argument, perhaps then you can explain the higher the level of education you attain the more likely you are to support Pro-Choice viewpoints? It's actually the college educated female who is most likely to support choice if you look at poll after poll and the percentage has remained fairly constant for several decades so you can't really blame the Obama era Dems on campus for this. It seems to me you ought to be able to tell something from the fact that the more education you have and the better understanding of biology you have the more likely you are to be Pro-Choice. The biology you get in high school is beyond a joke and it is even tempered with your viewpoint of fanaticism like evolution is yet most people still come out supporting abortion even if it's under specific circumstances. You're just cherry picking the so-called "science" that promotes your viewpoint that also happens to be being peddled by charlatans and disingenuous researchers. Your brain is a collection of cells no different than your hand at the most basic level of what how a colony of cells forms a more complex animal, you just have of course different kinds of cells with different functions in the brain than in your hand and different structures, but the most concept is the same, being a collection of cells working together to provide some functionality for the body. So what "scientifically" in your mind what does it take for a collection of cells to be a "human life"? It can't just be a complete human body or a brain. What about the fact that certain cells in you body can continue to live and function for a little while past the point that you are zipped up in the body bag. Most people report near death experiences and seeing the light in the time before their body has completely shut down. When you strip all of the plastic off of your argument to get at what is at the heart of it it's obvious that your notion of conception of what is human life and when it begins hinges on the time you and your believers THINK the "mojo" aka the soul enters the collection of cells. The same mojo that there is absolutely no proof that it actually exists. Boil it down, and your argument has always been and will always be a theological one, not a biological argument. To pretend otherwise is egregiously disingenuous.
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(08-07-2014, 10:40 PM)Emoticon Wrote:
DeadEye;151244 Wrote:No, that would be a false assumption. In fact, that is part of the reason behind the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke , and John. Four (4) different men, from different areas , different languages, who either saw or heard of the same things. The Muslims even acknowledge both Jesus' existence and some of his miracles.

Again, you don't have to believe . That's why it's called "faith". Christianity is all geared around the resurrection. Without it, Christianity falls apart. The 12 Disciples, prior to Jesus's death, followed him and although they proclaimed that he was the Messiah, as Peter proved, really didn't believe as devoutly as they thought they professed. Jesus told Peter that before the cock crowed twice Peter would renounce him thrice, and he did. Point being, although they professed to be followers they really, really, really weren't willing to lay down their lives for Jesus. After the death, burial, and resurrection, all 12 Apostles went to their deaths willingly. Each given the opportunity to live if only they would renounce Jesus. The difference? At that point in time they KNEW of Jesus conquering the grave. Not to mention the Roman guard mount that was placed to watch the tomb. The large rock it took several soldiers to place over the entranceway. The Romans being in fear of Jesus's body being robbed and therefore placing him in a martyrdom status took extra special precautions to ensure the body remained, yet it did not. That's one heck of a magic trick!

I love how whenever people who are not anti-science talk about the big bang or how the dinosaurs went extinct and didn't co-exist with humans the response from the evangelicals is always a foaming at the mouth, "WERE YOU THERE?! HOW DO YOU KNOW NOAH DIDN'T RIDE A DINOSAUR BEFORE THE FLOOD!? THE WORD OF GOD AS TRANSCRIBED IN THE BIBLE IS LAW! YOU WEREN'T THERE SO IT ALL MUST BE LIES FROM THE DEVIL! So the magical story about the resurrection and the rock being moved is the unequivocal truth because it's in a book somewhere. On my side, the side of science, we observable have cosmic background radiation (you can even measure it in the "snow" of a television set where there is no TV signal), radioactive decay, the speed of light, deep field PHOTOGRAPHS of the edge of the universe that prove the universe is billions of years old...that's fake but the rock story is true even though you have ZERO proof that ever occurred. Goofin is dead on you guys are 100% Jonestown level brainwashed if you believe what the Bible says verbatim. Archeologists have found papyrus fragments with biblical passages much older than the King James version of the bible and the passages on the fragments have been found to have different wording and meanings from the Bible we have today, extrapolate that over thousands of years of translation and re-translation, yet somehow you are damn certain it's 100% true what is in the Bible today. It's amazing, if that isn't clear brainwashing I don't know what is. If anyone pitched biblical mythology to you with different names of the characters and different places, you'd laugh that person out of whatever room you happen to be in. There is zero chance you'd ever buy that story under any other circumstance, but because you've been brainwashed with this nonsense since before you could even read the bible for yourself you believe it and reject reality. I don't understand why you guys can't look at yourselves in the mirror objectively and see how ridiculously absurd this story is.

Not all Christians discount science, just like all scientists don't discount Christianity. Like those you accuse, you are selectively picking and choosing Anti Christian stereotypes to try and describe an entire group of people. Science says, "Big Bang". Christianity says, "God breathed". I can see some similarities in there, in that to a God of infinite size and power an exhale would be a "bang" that would expel particles across the universe. Scientists are also using the Great a Flood to explain the Colorado River running "backwards" at some points, as science has been used to help explain Moses' parting of the sea. So, to say that either is totally dismissive of one another is relegated to those fringe elements on both sides, for which you seem to be a part of.
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(08-07-2014, 10:47 PM)Dave Wrote: Don't worry, most don't really believe the Book. Well, to be more accurate they selectively pick what they want to believe but have no issue ignoring other parts.

The New Testament is a truly wonderful document which I strongly encourage all the read, no matter you feelings about the religion. One reading would also illustrate how completely full of crap many so called Christians really are.

Most Christians don't actually read The Book, which leads to them not being able to defend it when challenged by other so-called scholars who are anti-Christian, who also have never read it. Had they, they would know that the Old and New Testaments stand for a reason in that pre Jesus the Old Testament man tried imparting his own sacrifices and law as a means to appease God, for which, God sent Jesus as the sacrificial lamb to die for the sins of mankind and to teach mankind to love one another as they would love themselves. Also, Jesus demonstrated time and time again how the law, God's Law, is not to be ignored, but because of his sacrifice, is to be forgiven. That's why if you commit a crime you no longer get stoned to death, but rather go to jail for a specified period, based on the severity of crime, of time to a "penitentiary", where you supposedly pay "penance", and "repent" for your crime. The first of which was built right here in Pennsylvania by and for people of faith. It further demonstrates that Christians are still sinful humans that can on occasion commit crimes. Typically, they commit less crimes and don't repeat offend. It also speaks to why we have criminals who routinely renounce God and routinely continue to repeat offend. It also speaks further to the biblical foundation for which this country was founded and the fact that as we drift away from Christianity and God, why our country morally consistently decays. Our prisons are overflowing.
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Well, that's another thread that became a circular wankfest.

.45ACP > 9mm, 1911 > Glock, concealed carry > open carry, AK > AR. There, that oughta do it.
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Man, for a bunch of folks who are refugees from Poofa, this is a really POOFA - like thread. Hate speech to Muslims to abortion to evolution with a little gay marriage sprinkled in Tongue
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DrillnFill;151367 Wrote:Man, for a bunch of folks who are refugees from Poofa, this is a really POOFA - like thread. Hate speech to Muslims to abortion to evolution with a little gay marriage sprinkled in Tongue
Dont think for a moment that ALL of us are banned from POOFA most just choose this site over the other. Cool
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DrillnFill;151367 Wrote:Man, for a bunch of folks who are refugees from Poofa, this is a really POOFA - like thread. Hate speech to Muslims to abortion to evolution with a little gay marriage sprinkled in Tongue

I'm not interested in participating on a site that dictates what I can and cant talk about.
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DrillnFill;151367 Wrote:Man, for a bunch of folks who are refugees from Poofa, this is a really POOFA - like thread. Hate speech to Muslims to abortion to evolution with a little gay marriage sprinkled in Tongue

Never was a POOFA.
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