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I'm having a 'discussion' about firearms with a real 'genius' in another forum, and it is pretty entertaining.

This guy is claiming that 8 million people a year in the US are killed by either their firearm, or a family member's firearm.

They don't seem to have clued into the fact that 8 million people is 3 times the total annual death rate due to all causes in the US. Despite my mentioning it quite a few times.

Anyway, as part of my futile quest, I'd appreicate it if someone could point me to the 'study' that found that you were more likely to be killed by your own firearm, or by someone you knew, and a really good deconstruction of it. Like the fact they included drug dealers in their paramaters of 'knew each other'.

Thanks!
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#2
Check the FBI website. They are the ones who do the studies.
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Warpt762x39;23484 Wrote:Check the FBI website. They are the ones who do the studies.

The specific study I'm thinking of showed up in a medical journal if I remember right.

Oh, and the FBI site shows total murders for 2010 at about 14K, and not all of them were firearms. But that chart only showed murders, not neglegent homicides. I haven't drilled down enough yet for that figure.
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#4
Thanks for jiggling my memory on it being a medical journal article.

It was the study done by Kellermann for the New England Journal of Medicine in 1986.
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#5
Might want to tell whomever this is that the number of births/year in the US is slightly less than 4million. So if 8million were dying from gun deaths/year we'd be seeing a major decline in the population in a very short period of time.
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streaker69;23498 Wrote:Might want to tell whomever this is that the number of births/year in the US is slightly less than 4million. So if 8million were dying from gun deaths/year we'd be seeing a major decline in the population in a very short period of time.

I pointed out something similar to that. 8 million people a year means in 4 years 1 in 10 people in the US have been killed. 40 years and nobody is left. (This of course assumse the bogus 8 million a year number is constant, and that there are no births...but we are dealing with bogosity on a vast scale here... Wink )

Oh, btw, in case anybody wants to view the vast stupidity, here is the discussion:
http://thedevilspanties.com/archives/7606#disqus_thread

It is a comment thread on a web comic that had the temerity to talk about the fun of using tannerite.
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http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/...-print.pdf
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Exbiker;23501 Wrote:http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/...-print.pdf

Thank you. Saved!
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#9
If the person isn't even going to listen to the simple logic of deaths vs births, then I don't think you're going to get through to him with anything more complex.
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#10
I think he is winning. I think you are just wasting your time. He is either a troll and just denies and ignores logic and actual facts or a hardcore anti who's opinion you won't change.
You have a right to protect yourself and a duty to protect your family.
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