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mpan72;23514 Wrote:I think he is winning. I think you are just wasting your time. He is either a troll and just denies and ignores logic and actual facts or a hardcore anti who's opinion you won't change.

Actually, I'm doing it more for the audience, but I'm bored, so no harm on my end.

Also, I'm acutally wondering if he is pro, and is trying to turn people off of the anti view by being so thick skulled about it.
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torin3;23516 Wrote:
mpan72;23514 Wrote:I think he is winning. I think you are just wasting your time. He is either a troll and just denies and ignores logic and actual facts or a hardcore anti who's opinion you won't change.

Actually, I'm doing it more for the audience, but I'm bored, so no harm on my end.

Also, I'm acutally wondering if he is pro, and is trying to turn people off of the anti view by being so thick skulled about it.

I actually deleted a statement that he may even be a gun owner as I was typing my fist reply. His arguments seem to be over the top and I thought he may just be doing it for his own entertainment.
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Here's a post I did on the other site that ties into your question and argument. A couple of links are included.

http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/182976-...about.html

Food for thought. I was Just thinking about different stats and relating them to guns. Most of the stats I am posting are from 2001 because that was the easiest year to get everything I was looking for. I mainly used two sites and what I am posting is by no means scientific on my part, just observations.

Basically what I get from the following, guns get the most press, but there are lot more things that are realistic threats to the average American than guns in the hands of honest citizens. Not to mention that while guns double as a sport, they have practical applications such as a source of food, and of course self defense.

The two sites I used for info. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5307a1.htm

http://www.sportssafety.org/sports-injury-facts/

In 2001 there were

802 unintentional firearm fatalities.
8741 unintentional firearm non fatalities
9543 total unintentional firearms related injuries/fatalities.

So honest gun owners were responsible for 9543 of the 29.7 million visits to the hospital that year.

Compare that to the: 3.5 million children 14 and under receiving treatment for sports related injuries and the:

99,722 gymnastic injuries
680,307 basketball injuries
170,902 baseball injuries
118,354 softball injuries
413,620 football injuries
163,000 soccer injuries
These 6 sports were responsible for 1,645,905 unintentional injuries. A lot more than the 9543 unintentional fire arm injuries that year.

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A few more numbers for 2001 all of the following are unintentional injuries.

fatal non fatal
firearms 802 8741
machinery 648 298859 motor
vehicle 33396 2959859
dog bite 25 365846
poisoning 14078 519164
struck by or against something
898 4610361

Also note that I am only counting non intentional firearms injuries in my numbers, not intentional firearm injuries because I am trying to draw parallels between honest gun owners and honest citizens partaking in all the other events listed above.
Everytime we look the other way when someone else loses rights we disagree with, we make it easier to lose the rights we support.

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