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(11-19-2014, 07:40 AM)goofin Wrote:
DeadEye;156885 Wrote:You can't get rid of religious influence from the law. Judeo-Christian influence is the law. Even our Founding Fathers pointed out that without Christianity our form of government cannot survive, for the ideals, hence written documents to support it, are based in Christianity. Countries without Christianity are either savage or dictatorships. The microcosm being a city gang. When God is not in control, it's survival of the fittest, mob rule, and the strongest govern.

Please cite the quotes you are referring to, most of our founding fathers were deists, agnostics and freemasons.

Here are just a few...

Http://www.wallbuilders.com

And for you revisionist historians, several of our Founding Fathers were ordained ministers. Deist does not mean non belief in God. Most were Christians, not a Muslim among them. Why, George Washington himself prayed before every battle.


No less than three religious services were held each Sunday in the Capitol Rotunda, one of the first books published by the Library of Congress was the Holy Bible. I believe it was John Adams who said, paraphrasing, that without Christianity our form of government cannot stand.

The Biblical slavery referenced was more of indentured servitude, rather than bondage.

Last, but certainly not least, the last time I checked, evolution was still but a THEORY, haven never yet been proven. What most people think, even what Darwin himself observed, was nothing more than adaptation.
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#22
(11-19-2014, 04:37 PM)JustinHEMI Wrote: No, law does not come from religion and we don't need a higher power to have laws.

The bible supports slavery, incest, infanticide, and rape, too.

I'll pass.

Justin

Sure you do. Without God you have anarchy. Religion is the first thing a dictator attacks, burns all of the Bibles...

City gangs are a microcosm, countries like Iran, Russia, China, the macro. The strongest survive and rule.

Where in the Bible is incest, infanticide, and rape, "supported"? I've read it cover to cover, in context. Again, "slavery" was always conducted by the Jews as indentured servitude, although they were enslaved by the Muslims into bondage. What are your sources?
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#23
DeadEye;157006 Wrote:
(11-19-2014, 04:37 PM)JustinHEMI Wrote: No, law does not come from religion and we don't need a higher power to have laws.

The bible supports slavery, incest, infanticide, and rape, too.

I'll pass.

Justin

Sure you do. Without God you have anarchy. Religion is the first thing a dictator attacks, burns all of the Bibles...

City gangs are a microcosm, countries like Iran, Russia, China, the macro. The strongest survive and rule.

Where in the Bible is incest, infanticide, and rape, "supported"? I've read it cover to cover, in context. Again, "slavery" was always conducted by the Jews as indentured servitude, although they were enslaved by the Muslims into bondage. What are your sources?

INCEST : Abraham was married to his half-sister, Sarah. (see Genesis)
INFANTICIDE: The story of Jesus, the Magi, and Pharoah (see Exodus)
SLAVERY: The Roman empire practiced involuntary slavery/servitude and Paul told slaves to stay with their masters. (see Galatians and Ephesians)
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DeadEye;157005 Wrote:
(11-19-2014, 07:40 AM)goofin Wrote: Please cite the quotes you are referring to, most of our founding fathers were deists, agnostics and freemasons.

Here are just a few...

Http://www.wallbuilders.com

And for you revisionist historians, several of our Founding Fathers were ordained ministers. Deist does not mean non belief in God. Most were Christians, not a Muslim among them. Why, George Washington himself prayed before every battle.


No less than three religious services were held each Sunday in the Capitol Rotunda, one of the first books published by the Library of Congress was the Holy Bible. I believe it was John Adams who said, paraphrasing, that without Christianity our form of government cannot stand.

The Biblical slavery referenced was more of indentured servitude, rather than bondage.

Last, but certainly not least, the last time I checked, evolution was still but a THEORY, haven never yet been proven. What most people think, even what Darwin himself observed, was nothing more than adaptation.

No wonder your views are what they are. David Barton is who you cite. What a joke, self-proclaimed historian....more evangelical whack jobs
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DeadEye;157006 Wrote:
(11-19-2014, 04:37 PM)JustinHEMI Wrote: No, law does not come from religion and we don't need a higher power to have laws.

The bible supports slavery, incest, infanticide, and rape, too.

I'll pass.

Justin

Sure you do. Without God you have anarchy. Religion is the first thing a dictator attacks, burns all of the Bibles...

City gangs are a microcosm, countries like Iran, Russia, China, the macro. The strongest survive and rule.

Where in the Bible is incest, infanticide, and rape, "supported"? I've read it cover to cover, in context. Again, "slavery" was always conducted by the Jews as indentured servitude, although they were enslaved by the Muslims into bondage. What are your sources?

The bible is the source. I don't believe you when you've said that you've read it cover to cover. I have, many times. The bible, and the bible alone, led me to my atheism.

Evolution is a fact. Whether you accept it or not doesn't change that. Saying "the last time I checked, evolution was still but a THEORY, haven never yet been proven" reveals a deep ignorance, on your part, about evolution and science in general. However, that's easily corrected by a little study on your part.

But we both know that your ignorance is willful and you aren't going to do anything to fix it, right? Instead, you'll demand that I teach you everything in the thread, in a hidden attempt to shift the burden of proof to me, and then claim victory since teaching you everything that you need to know, in this thread, is impossible.

Sort of like when you claimed to have read the bible cover to cover, but really didn't as evidenced by your lack of knowledge on certain topics then your demand for my sources. You'll claim that you have studied evolution and science to arrive at your incorrect conclusion.

We both know you're full of shit, so spare us the embarrassing attempt to say otherwise.

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#26
I treat religious ideologies like a salad bar. Yes, I will have the cherry tomatoes and the cucumbers. No, I want nothing to do with chick peas or faux bacon bits.

Just because some good ideas have a base history in religious texts doesn't mean they should be disregarded, and just because conversely bad ideas are in many of those texts doesn't mean they should be followed dogmatically.

Spreading love, forgiving your neighbor's trespass, charity, and compassion are all GOOD things. However, you all know for a FACT that you don't find this in any quran. There, you find only deceit, hatred, and glorification of the slaughter of innocents.

Now, before anyone gets all fussy and says anything about the diabolical shit the Catholic church did a thousand years ago... WE KNOW. The difference is Europe and Christianity evolved, and the sham ideology of Mohammed is exactly as barbaric, nefarious, and atrocious as it was when it was first forced upon the neck of man an eon ago.

Christian ideals = mostly good
Islamic ideals = nearly completely bad.
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Ten*K;157030 Wrote:I treat religious ideologies like a salad bar. Yes, I will have the cherry tomatoes and the cucumbers. No, I want nothing to do with chick peas or faux bacon bits.

Just because some good ideas have a base history in religious texts doesn't mean they should be disregarded, and just because conversely bad ideas are in many of those texts doesn't mean they should be followed dogmatically.

Spreading love, forgiving your neighbor's trespass, charity, and compassion are all GOOD things. However, you all know for a FACT that you don't find this in any quran. There, you find only deceit, hatred, and glorification of the slaughter of innocents.

Now, before anyone gets all fussy and says anything about the diabolical shit the Catholic church did a thousand years ago... WE KNOW. The difference is Europe and Christianity evolved, and the sham ideology of Mohammed is exactly as barbaric, nefarious, and atrocious as it was when it was first forced upon the neck of man an eon ago.

Christian ideals = mostly good
Islamic ideals = nearly completely bad.
Was it not Christian extremists who torched abortion clinics and shot doctors in the 80's and 90's. How about all the priests and pastors molesting kids? I'm sure that's a tradition that's been carried on for eons as well or did everyone forget. Embezzlement seems to be a popular activity as well.
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#28
Like it or not, Our government was founded on the philosophy of John Locke who believed that all human rights came from God.

The alternate viewpoint is that rights are simply a man made contract....but America was not founded on that premise.
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#29
goofin;157039 Wrote:
Ten*K;157030 Wrote:I treat religious ideologies like a salad bar. Yes, I will have the cherry tomatoes and the cucumbers. No, I want nothing to do with chick peas or faux bacon bits.

Just because some good ideas have a base history in religious texts doesn't mean they should be disregarded, and just because conversely bad ideas are in many of those texts doesn't mean they should be followed dogmatically.

Spreading love, forgiving your neighbor's trespass, charity, and compassion are all GOOD things. However, you all know for a FACT that you don't find this in any quran. There, you find only deceit, hatred, and glorification of the slaughter of innocents.

Now, before anyone gets all fussy and says anything about the diabolical shit the Catholic church did a thousand years ago... WE KNOW. The difference is Europe and Christianity evolved, and the sham ideology of Mohammed is exactly as barbaric, nefarious, and atrocious as it was when it was first forced upon the neck of man an eon ago.

Christian ideals = mostly good
Islamic ideals = nearly completely bad.
Was it not Christian extremists who torched abortion clinics and shot doctors in the 80's and 90's. How about all the priests and pastors molesting kids? I'm sure that's a tradition that's been carried on for eons as well or did everyone forget. Embezzlement seems to be a popular activity as well.

Ok, you compare and contrast that small segment of the Christian population vs that of the Islamic one and get back to me.

It is a point that can't be argued.
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(11-20-2014, 09:35 PM)mingomom Wrote:
DeadEye;157006 Wrote:Sure you do. Without God you have anarchy. Religion is the first thing a dictator attacks, burns all of the Bibles...

City gangs are a microcosm, countries like Iran, Russia, China, the macro. The strongest survive and rule.

Where in the Bible is incest, infanticide, and rape, "supported"? I've read it cover to cover, in context. Again, "slavery" was always conducted by the Jews as indentured servitude, although they were enslaved by the Muslims into bondage. What are your sources?

INCEST : Abraham was married to his half-sister, Sarah. (see Genesis)
INFANTICIDE: The story of Jesus, the Magi, and Pharoah (see Exodus)
SLAVERY: The Roman empire practiced involuntary slavery/servitude and Paul told slaves to stay with their masters. (see Galatians and Ephesians)

Genesis, ah yes "The Beginning" where EVERYONE was related and lived in close proximity to family. Incest wasn't law it was life.

A story about Jesus is in Exodus? Not possible.

Paul told the Jews to stay with their Masters out of obedience, not because he believed in slavery.

Yes, I read it from cover to cover AND understood what it meant.

(11-20-2014, 09:47 PM)goofin Wrote:
DeadEye;157005 Wrote:Here are just a few...

Http://www.wallbuilders.com

And for you revisionist historians, several of our Founding Fathers were ordained ministers. Deist does not mean non belief in God. Most were Christians, not a Muslim among them. Why, George Washington himself prayed before every battle.


No less than three religious services were held each Sunday in the Capitol Rotunda, one of the first books published by the Library of Congress was the Holy Bible. I believe it was John Adams who said, paraphrasing, that without Christianity our form of government cannot stand.

The Biblical slavery referenced was more of indentured servitude, rather than bondage.

Last, but certainly not least, the last time I checked, evolution was still but a THEORY, haven never yet been proven. What most people think, even what Darwin himself observed, was nothing more than adaptation.

No wonder your views are what they are. David Barton is who you cite. What a joke, self-proclaimed historian....more evangelical whack jobs

Self proclaimed whack job who owns one of the largest private collections of documents dealing with our Founding Fathers, and who is more of the noted source on such than you can ever hope to be. The same whack job for who you summarily dismiss because you can't factually refute. Yes, that evangelical whack job.
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