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Top 5 Contenders for the Army’s New Sidearm
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Quote:Top 5 Contenders for the Army’s New Sidearm
by Dave Higginbotham on December 10, 2014

Looking back at the XM9 trials, the early 80’s slug-fest that crowned the Beretta M9 as the successor of the M1911A1, I was surprised to see so many guns I hardly know. Of the 8 entrants, only 4 remain relevant–and even that’s arguable.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/top-5-co...w-sidearm/
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Good article. I don't know if I agree with the government's insistence on one gun for all purposes. They should at least have two sizes, a man's and a woman's version. Should a JAG officer or medic have the same gun as a front line grunt? In rifles, they don't use a bullpup carbine for a sniper weapon. I can see picking a standard caliber but possibly one for domestic use (FBI, DEA, DHS, SS, BP, TSA) and one for military use. Even the military should have options for using a theater specific pistol. The CIA should use whatever mission specific firearm they want including BUGs and CC guns.

How do you think Patton's ivory handled pistols would go over today? Generals should have personal discretion on sidearm carry.
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Since they can only use ball ammo then they should stick with .45acp. If they could use hollow points, then they should stick with 9mm. A handgun is a secondary weapon, not primary. Regardless, just about any common handgun round won't penetrate body armor. ...and no, the military shouldn't go to 5.7x28 or .22tcm, etc.
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Of the lot the only one I really don't care for is the Glock. I'd probably move towards SIG if I was unwilling to let Beretta address the concerns with the M9.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Camper;158555 Wrote:Of the lot the only one I really don't care for is the Glock. I'd probably move towards SIG if I was unwilling to let Beretta address the concerns with the M9.
The Beretta would be fine if it wasnt for the ammo used. Give them hollow points and forget about it.
das, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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Since we are banned from using hollow points in warfare through either Genva Conventions, U.N. treaties, or whatever, the military needs to pick something bigger than a 9mm. Even then, it just won't have the stopping power of a proper duty/self defense ammo that anyone else can use.

I don't have a dog in the fight for whoever wins the contract but I can bet that whoever does, the price of their product will go up just like it did with Colt and Berretta. Having a government contract gives a lot of brand creditbility, even if they aren't any better than their compettitors in build quality.
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Philadelphia Patriot;158547 Wrote:Since they can only use ball ammo then they should stick with .45acp. If they could use hollow points, then they should stick with 9mm. A handgun is a secondary weapon, not primary. Regardless, just about any common handgun round won't penetrate body armor. ...and no, the military shouldn't go to 5.7x28 or .22tcm, etc.

Why not? The round is super easy to control in a pistol and LE/MiL rounds can punch armor, it carries 21 rounds or can do 30, and it's accurate as hell.

My wife can shoot it easier than anything else but a .22. When you're on patrol and you've got to carry 3 mags of pistol ammo, 9mm is heavy, and double stack .45 is a freaking anchor.


That said, I'm liking that MTX .45.
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I feel like there have been talks about replacing the M4 platform and the M9 pistol for years, and nothing ever comes of it. Is this really something that's gonna happen?
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Ten*K;158622 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;158547 Wrote:Since they can only use ball ammo then they should stick with .45acp. If they could use hollow points, then they should stick with 9mm. A handgun is a secondary weapon, not primary. Regardless, just about any common handgun round won't penetrate body armor. ...and no, the military shouldn't go to 5.7x28 or .22tcm, etc.

Why not? The round is super easy to control in a pistol and LE/MiL rounds can punch armor, it carries 21 rounds or can do 30, and it's accurate as hell.

My wife can shoot it easier than anything else but a .22. When you're on patrol and you've got to carry 3 mags of pistol ammo, 9mm is heavy, and double stack .45 is a freaking anchor.


That said, I'm liking that MTX .45.

Actually, I take that back the 5.7x28mm might be a good choice. In all seriousness, I re-read the 2009 Fort Hood shooting page on wikipedia. I don't want to glorify the incident so I'll leave it at that by saying I retract my statement saying it shouldn't be considered.
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