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Turkey or US?
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I was reading the following article about Turkey and it struck me how similar their situation is to ours.

Quote:Erdogan[/Obama] instilled fear in the 49 percent of the Turkish[/US] population that did not vote for his party. For many, a single word or comment might result in arrest or jail -- as has been the fate of many who tried to voice their concerns and opposition to the government.

With the latest moves by the government to dictate everything from alcohol sales to abortion rights to the number of kids each family should have – while pushing ahead with construction projects without consulting those involved – the camel’s back finally broke.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/06/1...z2WAcaYv9b
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#2
That's a very interesting topic. It dawns the question in my mind; what will our police and military force do? If our country is heading in this direction and it (god forbid) comes to a point of civil unrest where the civilians are protesting for our rights with their lives, will our men in uniform stand behind the rules of a dictatorship and follow the (obviously unconstitutional and inhumane) laws set forth by the government, or will they stand up for what is right and protect our humanity? I personally don't understand why so many military and police forces around the world enforce the laws of dictators rising to power. Are they simply following orders and really not thinking for themselves? Do they agree with the dictatorship policies of total control of the people? Will they stand for what's right, ignore orders given by out of control government officials? I pray it never comes to that, but I'm pretty curious. Maybe a few LEO's could give their opinion? I'm not sure if they can on that without being 'insubordinate'.
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#3
This question could be answered in the near future.
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KungFuBarbeque;105635 Wrote:That's a very interesting topic. It dawns the question in my mind; what will our police and military force do? If our country is heading in this direction and it (god forbid) comes to a point of civil unrest where the civilians are protesting for our rights with their lives, will our men in uniform stand behind the rules of a dictatorship and follow the (obviously unconstitutional and inhumane) laws set forth by the government, or will they stand up for what is right and protect our humanity? I personally don't understand why so many military and police forces around the world enforce the laws of dictators rising to power. Are they simply following orders and really not thinking for themselves? Do they agree with the dictatorship policies of total control of the people? Will they stand for what's right, ignore orders given by out of control government officials? I pray it never comes to that, but I'm pretty curious. Maybe a few LEO's could give their opinion? I'm not sure if they can on that without being 'insubordinate'.

Here's another outcome to ponder, so what if LEO's and the military don't follow orders like a lot of people seem to agree they won't, but what if instead of joining "our side" so to speak they try for a power grab themselves when the time comes? No matter how well armed our populace is there is still no argument that our military capabilities are far superior and get stronger every day. I think most will agree that there isn't a snowman's chance in hell the citizens will ever win a force on force conflict and the front lines blur on a daily basis.

Would a military dictatorship be the future of this country?
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#5
We're not there yet, and I doubt we'll fall in line like Turkey.
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#6
What I always find interesting is how protests abroad always seem to be tolerated (Europe, etc). If there were a protest even remotely violent in this country the police state would be busting heads wide open, and rounding up everyone possible. It's not even a question that it would be squashed immediately. There wouldn't be water cannons pushing us back. There would police and DHS tanks rolling over us more like Tiananmen Square. I don't fear our armed services even a bit compared to the careful grooming of leo's (and now DHS) to view all American's as possible threats. They are without a doubt the thugs that would be used to end anything before it begins. You can't even have a peaceful protest without getting permission first, being told where to have it, and being scowled at by the police dressed in riot gear serving as a reminder of what's going to happen if you cross the line.
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(06-14-2013, 09:20 AM)Gods Country Wrote: What I always find interesting is how protests abroad always seem to be tolerated (Europe, etc). If there were a protest even remotely violent in this country the police state would be busting heads wide open, and rounding up everyone possible. It's not even a question that it would be squashed immediately. There wouldn't be water cannons pushing us back. There would police and DHS tanks rolling over us more like Tiananmen Square. I don't fear our armed services even a bit compared to the careful grooming of leo's (and now DHS) to view all American's as possible threats. They are without a doubt the thugs that would be used to end anything before it begins. You can't even have a peaceful protest without getting permission first, being told where to have it, and being scowled at by the police dressed in riot gear serving as a reminder of what's going to happen if you cross the line.

I agree with you on some points, however, maybe I'm ignorant for thinking the majority population of LEO's really are for the true constitutional laws, and are not 'power hungry thugs'. I have never encountered a DHS agent, but of my interactions with police (I'm talking traffic stops and interactions at my old job) the majority I've met have been very respectful, courteous, and honest. I think a large part of the distrust for police comes from YouTube and the other parts of the media where we are primarily exposed to police brutality and are rarely shown the real heroic acts of LEO's. I would like to think that a very large part of the LEO force would side with the citizens of this country, especially now that they hopefully see some of the things that are going on in other parts of the world (Turkey for example) and see some things possibly coming together in the United States.

As far as Military goes, the amount of power hungry military members is a very small percentage compared to members who are in the military to protect and fight for the citizens of this country. I don't see the military protecting or being used in a dictatorship in this country any time in my lifetime.
KungFuBarbeque, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since May 2013.
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#8
I think the reality (if civil unrest does become a reality in the U.S.) is that Military and LEO's will be very divided. I think a big part of it will rely on the higher commands and the stance they have. Some LEO organizations have a reputation for being extremely corrupt and unethical. The same goes for some military units. It usually has to do with the leadership either condoning, or looking the other way when inappropriate behavior happens. There are bad apples in every bunch, and if the bad apples are in the higher ranks the majority of lower ranks will follow their lead.

I could be wrong, but I think that our military as a whole is more likely to refuse executing horrendous acts on the American people, and that the police are more likely to be susceptible to becoming the pawns used. Their jobs after all is to "keep the peace", and initially orders could be followed, that many of them may even later regret. That is not to say I don't have respect for LEO's, because I do. I think many will likely be guardians of our rights and uphold their constitutional oath. However, some organizations (military and police) will follow whatever orders they are given and then some.

Power is a very seductive force. Many will and do abuse their power and look for every opportunity to obtain more without a second thought about how it impacts the citizens of our great nation.
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